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CC MMP vs Sidewinder SV3

Old 02-08-2017, 03:19 PM
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Did some drag racing on my Rustler vs my brother's p4de. Rustler has CC Sidewinder 3+4600kv geared for 57mph on 3s 5000mah 25c and p4de has CC Mamba Max Pro +4600kv geared for 64mph on 3s 5000mah 35c. Due to 4wd inefficiency and a more aerodynamic body (Bandit body) I was the faster of the two. We're geared pretty conservatively bc we're not built for just straight line runs. I'll list our setups below and then I'll list our temps and voltages after the 7runs.

4wd E-Jato
20/54 32p with stock 3.92 internal ratio
Mamba Max Pro with castle 4600kv motor
Traxxas aluminum motor mount
Passive cooling: Bastens aluminum heatsink
Active cooling: Integy heatsink with dual fan
Arctic Silver Ceramique 2
Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108)
Front: Blue Losi 3.8lb/in 2" Front spring
Rear: Blue Losi 4.1lb/in 2.5" spring
B3 front/C4 Rear shock mounts
45wt/50wt shock oil
Shocks: stock Ultra shocks
STRC aluminum shock caps
Front/rear preload: 14mm front/12mm rear
Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 0/1lrg limiter
Hard front sway bar midway to pivot point
Hard rear sway bar farthest from pivot point
Proline Protrac kit (18mm widening)
Hot Racing 25mm aluminum wide kit
Aluminum 30 degree caster blocks
Front toe in: 1 degree
Rear toe in: stock 1.5 degrees
Front camber links Long/Angled on position 4
Rear Camber link: shortest/parallel on position 1
Traxxas Anaconda 2.8 Tires
30k/slipper setting half turn out/30k
Traxxas aluminum bearing adaptor
Jato 3.3 body
1.25oz lead weight on bumper
Floureon Lipo battery monitor
Traxxas wheelie bar
Steering expo @25%
Throttle expo @zero%
Steering dual rate @100%
Sub-trim: 0%
Right Steering end point @130%
Left Steering end point @130%
AVC: 35% ST/35%TH/85% Priority
MMP ESC Settings: Black and White wires switched 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Start power Medium, 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Low(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless
Venom 3s 5000 35C
Front/Rear track width: 14.3"/14.3"


Rustler XL-5 transformed
19/83 48p gearing
Castle Creations 4600kv
Castle Creations SV3 with fan
Passive cooling2) Bastens aluminum heatsinks with Arctic Silver Ceramique 2
Associated XP ds1015 steering servo (201,.108)
Front: Black Losi 4.1lb/in 2" front spring
Rear: Stock Rustler 2.9lb/in 2.5" rear spring
B2/B4 shock mounts
50wt/35wt oil
Stock Traxxas Ultra shocks
Front shock shaft titanium-nitride coated
Front/Rear Preload: 8mm front/14mm rear
Front/Rear Shocks lowered: 2sml/1lrg2sml
Front/Rear droop: 11mm/1mm
RPM wide mod
STRC Front shock tower
STRC Rear shock tower
Front: Long Camber Link setting
Rear: High roll center setting
Toe: 1 degree toe-out/-1.5 degrees
Camber: -2/.5 degrees
RPM bumper upside-down
Traxxas aluminum bulkhead
Traxxas aluminum 30 degree caster block
Traxxas aluminum front hub carrier
Traxxas aluminum bellcrank
Nitro 4-Tec 1.5 degree rear stub carrier
Bandit body
1.5oz lead weight in bulkhead
1.25oz lead weight on bumper
Tires: Proline Dirt Hawgs/Proline Dirt Hawgs
Temperature and Voltage Telemetry
Traxxas wheelie bar with rubber wheels
Slipper setting: 1/2 turn out
Steering sensitivity @25.2%
Throttle expo @zero%
Steering dual rate @100%
Sub-trim: 0%
Right Steering end point @84.8%
Left Steering end point @100%
Throttle EPA: 100%
Brake EPA: 75.2%
Brakes @80%
TSM setting: 50%
ESC setting: 1.Forward/brake/Reverse, 2.Brakes 50%, 3.Reverse speed 25%, 4.Punch control level 1.High, 5.Drag brake zero, 6.Dead Band Normal(.1ms), 7.Voltage cutoff Auto, 8.Motor timing Lowest(0 degrees), 9.Motor type Brushless
Traxxas 3s 5000mah 25C
Front/Rear track width: 13.6"/13.3"
Ride Height: 27mm/27mm

Both of our ESC settings are the same. The batteries are almost the same. I may have the better tires but he has 4wd. Our slippers are also set the same. But here's the differences:
Temps: Outside temp was 79 degrees
P4de with MMP
ESC: 105 degrees F
Motor:109 degrees F
Battery: ~90 degrees
Rustler with Sidewinder
ESC: 110 degrees F
Motor: 115 degrees F
Battery: ~90 degrees

Battery Voltages left:
P4de: 11.5v
Rustler: 11.9v

So in a heavier, less efficient system the MMP system ran cooler. I'm assuming the motor on the p4de ran cooler too bc of the dual fan+dual heatsink. Of course my Rustler had less amperage draw bc it's more efficient being 2wd, was more aerodynamic, and has lower gearing (higher gear ratio of 11.88 vs 10.584).

This may not be a Rustler vs Rustler comparison but you can easily see the Mamba Max Pro is much better than the Sidewinder 3

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