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Tekno RC EB410 Thread

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Welcome to the EB410 Wiki page.

Basic Stats/Features:

Shaft drive (tapered AL for light weight and straightness)
Gear differentials (all 3)
Low Angle CVAs (with captured pins so no ejecting them!)
Durable stub axles with 12mm hexes and optional offset adjustments
Reverse bellcrank steering system
Quick access bulkheads (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
Spllt center diff holder (for easy diff maintenance and tuning)
8th scale style motor mount (for easy mesh adjustment)
13mm big bore shocks
3.5mm shock shafts
Droop screws

Videos

Servo Horns
Tekno included a plastic servo horn but also offers an aluminum one. This is highly recommended. Here's a list of servo horns that have been found to work:

Gearing:
Works out of the box for mod or 13.5.

Preference for Associated factory team pinions
Start mod gearing around 21t pinion
Start 13.5 gearing around 29t pinion with the stock spur (81tooth). If using a Tekin Spec R 13.5, start with a 24t pinion for medium sized indoor tracks.
Internal Gear Ratio: 2.5:1
For comparison:
B64 is 2.47:1
22-4 is 2.4:1
YZ4 is 2.6:1

Wheels

B6/22/rb6 wheels direct fit
22-4/XB4 front wheels direct fit
B64 front wheels will fit, but you need the +1 hexes (can use #TKR1654X, which is a +1mm hex)
22 2wd front wheels will also fit, possibly a good option for carpet.

Setup Sheets and other documentation
Setup sheets for all Tekno RC vehicles can be found here. Please be sure to try our recommended setup. It works very well on most tracks.

Ryan Lutz Setups
Instruction Manual
EB410 Resources
Ryan Lutz IOCC blog
PT Oil CST conversion Chart
List of Vehicle Setup Adjustments and Build Tips can be found here. There are several videos and articles detailing the building of shocks, diffs, camber links, etc.

Piston Drills:
Some of our setups recommend using pistons that are enlarged. For instance 4x1.9 or 3x2.0. To drill the pistons we recommend the following:

GMK Supply Piston Drill Set
16PC Metric Bit Set Metric Sizes 2.00 to 3.00 MM.
Harbor Freight 0.5mm - 3.0mm bit set * 2.1mm not included

Aftermarket Upgrades:

Warranty Policy:
Tekno RC is the only company in the industry that will give 50% off of parts if returned to them using the General Warranty return policy found on their website. The parts can be lightly used or completely abused, as long as the part is still being produced it's covered!

Build Tips:

When fastening the steering posts with a 5.5mm socket wrench, you can back space the socket with some nuts to help drive the post into the bulk head
Place an alcohol swab over metal threads and drive screws through the swab to clean both sides of threads before applying thread lock
Use a metallic marker to indicate what fluids you have filled in your diffs for easy identification
Apply thin layer of grease on crown gears to help hold gaskets in place for easy hole alignment
Bags F and H have 2 different size set screws, be sure to use the smaller 3x3mm screws for the hexes or you may run into problems installing wheels over the hex if you use the longer 3x4mm screws
To make is easier to slip the o-rings on the shock cap bleeder screws, apply a drop of shock oil and slip them over a 1.5mm hex bit, then line up the bit with the screw and transfer the o-ring over using fingernails or needle nose pliers
pinch+rotate shock caps in 17mm hex wrench to improve roundness
More shock build tips here
Use a 3.05mm drill bit or 3.05mm Kyosho arm reamer, 1/8" drill bits are not recommended because they are 3.17mm in diameter and tend to introduce too much slop, the pins are roughly 2.97mm in diameter
Replace the stock 3x14mm screws (TKR1405) with 3x20mm screws (TKR1409) in step H-10 in the manual in order to increase durability to the bulkhead.
When installing the front and rear differentials into the bulkheads be careful when tightening the 3x8mm screws of the cover that holds the diff in place. Bottom out the screws first (use a hand driver and make it hand tight) then check the diff to make sure it rotates smooth. If it binds up, start by backing out each screw 1/8-1/4 of a turn until the both front and rear diffs move freely. The plastic threads will keep the screws in place so don't worry if you think the screws are not secure.
When installing the steering hub kingpins (TKR6596), drive each one in hand tight only. Then check the movement of the steering hub. If it binds up, back out the kingpin screws by 1/8-1/4 of a turn until it moves freely. Then install the set screws (TKR1601) to hold it in place. Only drive the set screw in until you make contact with the kingpin. Do not force it.
If using the low profile servo mount, be sure to use smaller OD (outter diameter) washers to avoid rubbing on the center drive shaft. Protek ball stud washers are a good example of the acceptable diameter. You can chose to not run washers though it is recommended to use them as it makes for a more secure mount.
Ball Cup Alternative from AE: ASC91453. These are used as a harder composite option if you are not happy with the softer stock plastics. Note that these are approximately 2-3mm shorter and require compensation when building your kit to the manual specs to achieve proper camber/toe settings
Wheel Nut Alternative: Yokomo 4mm Thin Aluminum Serrated Flanged Nut

https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...-n4flt/p541494
Moving Rear Shocks to the Front of the A-arm

This is the break down of what's required by one of the Eb410 FB users.

Joey A.

So since there has been some people wondering about running the shocks in the front of the arm I though I would try explaining everything that I did to get them to work and why. My goal was to run as much stock stuff as possible with the least amount of modifications.

-Arms- need to be flipped and 1mm shaved off the back (spacing the arm farther back) running it this way the car is still a mm shorter then stock but more material could be removed for more adjustability but I have found no need to make the car longer.

-Inner ball stud- there are 2 ways of mounting, the first can be used with the stock plastic tower. All you need to do is use a 10mm ball stud instead of the lower shock mount screw and a little clearance from the shock tower and diff case. Using this method will work but the ball stud is moved lower and farther in then the stock locations which requires different pivot locations to try and correct roll centers. The other way (preferred) using the option carbon tower drill a hole higher and farther out if done properly you will be able to get the ball stud location in the correct hight(0mm) and between the two stock locations.

-Shocks- only 2 changes from stock you will need to space the top shock mount 2mm out. You will also need to run around 1.5-2mm less droop depending on your setup.

-Sway bar- this is the hardest part of the swap. This can be done a million ways I chose to print a mount in the stock ball stud location which allowed me to use the stock swaybars and arm mounting position. You can also bend your own bar and use the stock mounts on the back. You will have to drill your arms on the other side and closer to the pivot for this to work (remember you will need a thinner bar the closer you mount the lower pickup on the arm to get the same feeling as stock).

-Other- you will need to remove the drop screws on the rear arm. Depending on rear rims,hubs,ballcups and setup you might need to clearance the outer ball cup so it doesn’t rub on the wheel.

-Why- the benefits of running the shocks in the front are the ability to run a softer rear shock package without giving up corner speed and pack. The car will land without chassis slapping or packing out as easy allowing you to drive the car harder and it corners flatter and rotates faster without losing rear grip.

Sorry for the shity grammar,
TJR

Sway bar mount for forward mounted shocks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tekno-EB410...4AAOSwYNxahFkq

Exotek Sway Bar Mount http://www.exotekracing.com/eb410-re...ar-mount-6061/

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09-07-2017, 06:43 AM

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The tracks are great. I prefer to be able to breathe though with far less air pollution out this way.

LOL you live in a bit different climate and area than I do

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Will the current Tekno servo horn be a good fit for the EB410? Just wondering. Thanks!

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I hate to say it, but I have a feeling tomorrow's info dump will give us all we want to know.....and as usual, we have to wait and see......well, besides pricing!

Last Friday was a real treat... I rolled my butt out of bed at 8:59 so I could start working at 9:00, and behold... Part 2 was already out. That pretty much shot the whole morning right in the ass

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09-07-2017, 07:58 AM

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Will the current Tekno servo horn be a good fit for the EB410? Just wondering. Thanks!

Looking at everything, I would say yes. It would make sense to utilize what they already have available.

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09-07-2017, 09:27 AM

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The current aluminum horn will work, however it's not ideal, especially for the LP servo with the LP mount. We will be coming out with an aluminum horn specific to this car that should be available at or just after the release of the car.

We tried to make the current horn be the one to get but during the design phase it just didn't work out. We didn't want to compromise the design just for a servo horn.

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hmmm...curious minds want to know....

Really nothing special. Carbon towers, battery strap, two other carbon parts on the chassis, every nut replaced with aluminum, titanium turnbuckles (no titanium hingepins, yet), a lot of titanium screws, some aluminum screws, Tekin Gen3 13.5 motor which is very light, Tekin RS Spec esc, Sanwa RX-481 rx, Savox SB-2263MG-CE Ryan Cavalieri servo, micro transponder, shortened all the wires as much as possible, SMC 4400 pack, and I removed some non-essential parts off the car. With one of the low profile shorty packs the car would be underweight. I think with a few more option parts the car would be underweight with a standard shorty pack and significantly under with the LP shorty pack.

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so right now the car is coming with a plastic horn?

Are there horns on the market you would say to use that would give us the right parameters that we can buy / may have on hand right now?

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Since there's 60plus pages here of random stuff most seem to be about wheels, LOL... will there be a new thread for actual setup info and tech info versus trying to figure out what page to start on for information.

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No, but we will utilize the Wiki at the top of every page

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wiki's help if people use them, however people will still ask about wheels, etc and people will answer. see it in other car threads, wheels. hexes, dirt to carpet parts or other way around

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if the trade off is that you get activity in a thread that has people answering common questions versus really none at all, I'll take the activity.

Question: When setting up the EB410 has there been any issues getting it to work on a Hudy setup station? If so, what had to be done to get it to work?

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if the trade off is that you get activity in a thread that has people answering common questions versus really none at all, I'll take the activity.

Question: When setting up the EB410 has there been any issues getting it to work on a Hudy setup station? If so, what had to be done to get it to work?

Interesting question..... What would be a reason you couldn't use it on a Hudy setup station?

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Not using the Hudy Station but I can't see why it wouldn't work.

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Interesting question..... What would be a reason you couldn't use it on a Hudy setup station?

Looking at the hudy station site they mention drilling out a part to fit a vehicle properly. Worse case I figured I would ask as its better to know up front than after the fact.

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Looking at the hudy station site they mention drilling out a part to fit a vehicle properly. Worse case I figured I would ask as its better to know up front than after the fact.

Good point, although I have one and don't see how it would not work.. unless you have a pan car setup station.. then the toe gauge might not fit above the towers.. but, it should work fine for ya!

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