R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road

Like Tree68Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-07-2016, 06:26 AM   #106
Tech Adept
 
EJ2civic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 195
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaX-D View Post
Why a 2 pole and not 4 pole? What will the 2 pole do for the truck?
Well the all the testing I have done in comparing the 2, a 550 2 pole actually puts LESS stress on the rest of the power system. From ESC temps, mAh being used and battery temps. Granted ALL my test were done INDOOR on HIGH GRIP CARPET track. While a 2 pole isnt ideal for most, its what works well for me. My testing yielded the results that a 4 pole motor generates MORE heat in the battery and ESC while using diving deeper into the overall mAh of the pack as well.
__________________
LOSI TEN SCTE*TLR SCTE 2.0*2017 XRAY XB4*HOBBYWING*PRO-MATCH RACING*SMC*Wild Turbo Fans*BACH Racing*MRH Racing*AbsoluteHobbyz
EJ2civic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 09:40 AM   #107
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

4 pole have more torque and will pull more amps as a result. Yes this will strain your system more. 550 2 pole will actually have better top end and good for larger tracks.

So you talked about amp draw but what about lap times?
Also Tekin new 255 software allow you to control torque much better and I love the feel of the new software with the stronger 4 pole motors.
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 10:24 AM   #108
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Central PA
Posts: 337
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper View Post
4 pole have more torque and will pull more amps as a result. Yes this will strain your system more. 550 2 pole will actually have better top end and good for larger tracks.

So you talked about amp draw but what about lap times?
Also Tekin new 255 software allow you to control torque much better and I love the feel of the new software with the stronger 4 pole motors.
I don't know about this year, buy I'm fairly certain Maifield ran 2 pole last year at E-Nats.
__________________
www.bumpsandjumpsrc.com
www.lcrcraceway.com
www.miponline.com
www.serpentamerica.com
Lovell's Lids
wicker9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 03:50 PM   #109
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

I don't believe Orion has a 540 4 pole option with 5mm shaft like the Tekin Pro-4 motors. Most Orion guys I know are still running 550 2 pole motors.
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 06:46 PM   #110
Tech Addict
 
Josh L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Greenville VA
Posts: 665
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

What I want to know is the actual torque values of a 2 pole 550 against a 4 pole 540.
I am not all that convinced that there will be much difference with reasonable punch settings. People can say what they want about power band, but the only thing that ever really matters is how much you lay to the ground. That being said, is there all that much difference in power vs the two?
Josh L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 08:26 PM   #111
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Reliable dyno data is tough to get. I totally agree it is all about putting power to the ground. 550 2 pole will get it done. In certain conditions can even be better. Both can get you the winners circle. I like the lighter weight more than the extra torque.
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2016, 07:46 PM   #112
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 100
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

What are the popular 2 pole motors?
fordohio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2016, 10:04 PM   #113
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Tekin and Orion both make great 550 2 pole motors.
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2016, 11:48 PM   #114
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 206
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Does anyone have a parts list to do the conversion? I have a practically NIB 2.0 that I built. Would prefer to not sell the truck!
cjcoffroad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 06:51 AM   #115
Tech Elite
 
ta_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,350
Trader Rating: 151 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cjcoffroad View Post
Does anyone have a parts list to do the conversion? I have a practically NIB 2.0 that I built. Would prefer to not sell the truck!
On this topic, if you've got a 2.0 that already has the 22 shock conversion, -3MM chassis, dogbone center driveshafts, aluminum caster blocks and you don't plan to run the motor in the angled configuration, what's the difference besides the new front A-Arms?

I understand the 3.0 chassis is wider - how does that affect the performance of the car when not angling the motor?
ta_man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 08:52 AM   #116
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Wider chassis not much if any. The chassis braces will be a change over the 2.0 rods though.
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 11:05 AM   #117
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,527
Trader Rating: 13 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ta_man View Post
On this topic, if you've got a 2.0 that already has the 22 shock conversion, -3MM chassis, dogbone center driveshafts, aluminum caster blocks and you don't plan to run the motor in the angled configuration, what's the difference besides the new front A-Arms?

I understand the 3.0 chassis is wider - how does that affect the performance of the car when not angling the motor?
The 3.0 chassis can allow for the angle changes on the center driveline and the battery configuration in front and back which is sort of an outdoor versus indoor thing. The chassis got wider due to the 550 motors being angled off the side cannot go outside of the chassis so we made room for those and thus we altered both sides equally and the chassis got wider much like the 8ight E 4.0 did.
__________________
-Ryan Dunford
Horizon Hobby Spektrum Product Manager
TLR--Spektrum--Horizon Hobby--Tekin--Venom--Pro-Line--Sticky Kicks--Bradley FLD--ImagineIt Graphics--Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 3.0, TLR 22T 2.0, TLR 22SCT 2.0, TLR TEN-SCTE 2.0, TLR 8ight-E 4.0, DX6R
hacker07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 03:00 PM   #118
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 1,254
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

Can 2.0 upgrade for 3.0 chassis?
raved007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 03:12 PM   #119
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,734
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Yes the front and rear clips will bolt onto the 3.0 chassis. You will need the insert for the diff mounting angle and should get the front and rear chassis braces
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 04:37 PM   #120
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 1,254
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper View Post
Yes the front and rear clips will bolt onto the 3.0 chassis. You will need the insert for the diff mounting angle and should get the front and rear chassis braces
Thank You Sir. I like more this SCT than my tekno. It's been only a month for me this kit and getting hook up faster than my previous laps.

raved007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 07:13 AM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net