R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road

    Hide Wikipost
Old 06-20-2016, 06:37 AM   -   Wikipost
R/C Tech Forums Thread Wiki: TLR 22-4 2.0 Race Kit Thread!
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been a member for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: Kraig
Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

----------------------
Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
-------------------

What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

----------------------
Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

Print Wikipost

Like Tree131Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-01-2016, 07:25 AM   #601
Tech Adept
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 186
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

Any word on the front pivot brace frank?

Id love to get some seat time before our big race coming up at the end of the month.
motoman811 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2016, 11:51 PM   #602
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Antelope Valley, CA
Posts: 4,791
Trader Rating: 488 (100%+)
Default

I can't wait to try mine out tomorrow. Box set up and 13.5. I just sold one of my XRAYs because these are supposed to be the shiz. I hope you guys aren't full of it.
__________________
Now that I've discovered the ignore list I plan to use it.....17 and counting!
QDRHRSE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 05:27 PM   #603
Tech Elite
 
Potoczak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 3,607
Trader Rating: 112 (100%+)
Default

If I wanted to buy rear aluminum hubs for the 22-4 2.0 which ones would I be looking at to buy?? 22 3.0 ones??
__________________
Pete Potoczak

Home entertainment specialist
Secure Technologies/ www.stiworldwide.com
Potoczak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 07:09 PM   #604
Tech Fanatic
 
tsair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 978
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by QDRHRSE View Post
I can't wait to try mine out tomorrow. Box set up and 13.5. I just sold one of my XRAYs because these are supposed to be the shiz. I hope you guys aren't full of it.
Did you get a chance to run? How was it?
tsair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 07:20 PM   #605
Tech Lord
 
20 SMOKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: HVR_ WEEKI WACHEE FL
Posts: 10,299
Trader Rating: 101 (100%+)
Default

i have been running these new pistons BMI Racing Vari- Flow pistons and are working flawless,the main thought was to help the chassis slap on the 44,in this buggy it's like riding on pillows.
Attached Thumbnails
TLR 22-4 2.0 Race Kit Thread!-14373954_949700021806794_2238650908747497472_n.jpg  
__________________
Jamie W
*Team Tekin*Tekno-rc*DE Racing*AKA*DDHRC*
20 SMOKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 07:35 PM   #606
Tech Elite
 
K_King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 4,192
Trader Rating: 39 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to K_King
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Potoczak View Post
If I wanted to buy rear aluminum hubs for the 22-4 2.0 which ones would I be looking at to buy?? 22 3.0 ones??
There are no aluminum hubs that are like the stock ones. The 3.0 ones don't have all of the inner holes that the stock ones do. The other hubs are 3mm higher but I think they have the same holes. So depending on what hole you run you'd have to run the stock ones or the 2w aluminum versions.
K_King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 07:41 PM   #607
Tech Prophet
 
Casper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange, Ca
Posts: 17,738
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Potoczak View Post
If I wanted to buy rear aluminum hubs for the 22-4 2.0 which ones would I be looking at to buy?? 22 3.0 ones??
http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...odID=TLR334014

There is a neat page on TLR's site for each car that lists hop up options for the cars.

http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Rel...s&SubCategory=
__________________
TLR/Losi Team Driver
TLR/Losi | Tekin | DE Racing | Spektrum | Exotek | JBRL | Kolor Koncepts | OC/RC |Sticky Kicks | Imagine It Graphics | Casper-RC.com
TLR 22 4.0 SR, TLR 22T 3.0 (laydown), TLR 22-4 2.0, Spektrum DX6R

WWW.CASPER-RC.COM TLR and Tekin setups
Casper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 08:15 PM   #608
Tech Master
 
dethklok151's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: az
Posts: 1,235
Trader Rating: 65 (100%+)
Default

I might have to try those pistons. Might help my driving style a little. Every change i've made has just made mine better. I'm lovin mine!
__________________
"hey buddy,ya gonna finish marshalling my car or just lay there and bleed?"
Tamiya euro truck on asphalt
dethklok151 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 08:32 PM   #609
Tech Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 908
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

I've seen set ups by JR Mitch using the 22 3.0 (334014) rear aluminum hubs, he seemed to be running the rear and inside hole, although in his set up sheet he called it D. It looks to help the turnbuckle clear the shock as he was running them in front of the rear arm. There's also another set up by mayfield running the +3 aluminum hubs (334037) at the ROAR Nationals, likely due to its high bite I imagine? I'm not sure which, if either, to get. So far nothing wrong with the stock hubs.
__________________
Daragh Slowey
EB410/SPGT2Pro/Orca5.5/1258TGBlk/Nosram shorty
B6D/SPGT2Pro/Fantom7.5/1258TG/Nosram shorty
EB48SL/RX8/TekinT8i/Hitec7599/SMC4500(4S)
Grasshopper/Tekin FX/Twister 27T/FutabaS9551/Speed power
HeavyD99 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 08:38 PM   #610
Tech Master
 
3srcracing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,771
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

For those of you who broke a front bulkhead on 2.0 and can't get one;

If your patient and take your time you can dremel the 1.0 front bulkhead to work. Tried and tested at our track, hasn't broke yet. Also doesn't seem to bind up
__________________
A Main Hobbies | Protek R/C | Team Powers R/C | Cheater Racing
3srcracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2016, 09:43 PM   #611
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Antelope Valley, CA
Posts: 4,791
Trader Rating: 488 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tsair View Post
Did you get a chance to run? How was it?
The 22-4 2.0 is solid. I couldn't race it today but we farted around with it after racing was over. The car is super smooth and planted. I like it. The out of the box set up did not have enough off power steering but some very minor changes were good enough to get our local fast guy to set a new track record for the current layout which is old, clapped out, and ready for a rebuild. Within 10 laps I was able to run equivalent laps to those that I run with my 2016 XB4s. I'm an experienced racer but I'm not super fast, just consistent. I basically run the same lap times with all of my cars so the fact that I can run it as fast as my XRay right away means its very easy to drive. That being said, I'd still recommend the XB4 to anybody. Lets see how the 22-4 2.0 holds up. Its remarkably quiet and smooth. It doesn't have as much steering as other 4x4 buggies I've had but its f'n stuck to the track and flys easy too. I really have a strong dislike for TLR products because of hard parts issues that I had with my early 22s and SCT10s...if this car ends up being durable and the drive lines hold up it'll be very good, dare I say excellent. So far I'm impressed.
__________________
Now that I've discovered the ignore list I plan to use it.....17 and counting!
QDRHRSE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 01:39 AM   #612
Tech Fanatic
 
tsair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 978
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Nice review!
__________________
Razor RC blog:
http://razorrcblog.blogspot.com
http://youtube.com/c/RazorRC
tsair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 09:50 AM   #613
TLRacing
 
Frank Root's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Corona, CA, USA
Posts: 5,410
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by motoman811 View Post
Any word on the front pivot brace frank?

Id love to get some seat time before our big race coming up at the end of the month.
From what I'm told, later this month.
__________________
Frank Root -- TLR Project Manager
Twitter - @FrankRoot FB - facebook.com/FrankRootTLR
Team Losi Racing (TLR) - Team Orion - Spektrum - JConcepts - Horizon Hobby - Stick It 1 - Sticky Kicks - Bradley's Fine Line Designs - liverc.com - OCRC Raceway - Tuning Haus - Pacific Coast Hobbies - RIP
Frank Root is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 04:05 PM   #614
Tech Adept
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 186
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Root View Post
From what I'm told, later this month.
Thanks frank!
motoman811 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 05:42 PM   #615
Tech Lord
 
20 SMOKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: HVR_ WEEKI WACHEE FL
Posts: 10,299
Trader Rating: 101 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3srcracing View Post
For those of you who broke a front bulkhead on 2.0 and can't get one;

If your patient and take your time you can dremel the 1.0 front bulkhead to work. Tried and tested at our track, hasn't broke yet. Also doesn't seem to bind up
Why i have 4 in my box
__________________
Jamie W
*Team Tekin*Tekno-rc*DE Racing*AKA*DDHRC*
20 SMOKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 6 (2 members and 4 guests)
ldog, skoalisbad4me
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 07:13 PM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net