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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 07-11-2017, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Casper
My titanium screw kit saved ~15g (14.9)
Titanium tie rods (TLR kit) saved ~12g (11.8)
Titanium shock mounts are 3g
T-works has titanium king pins for the front arm to caster blocks. That can save 3.4g
Aluminum shock nuts saves 2-3g and costs $5-10. Another cheap way to lose some weight up high.
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22/22T Buggy RTR LOSA5006

These work as well!
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Random question -- should there be any play between the front and rear wheels turning?

If I lock down the front wheels with my hands (holding them in the air) and then try to roll the car back and forth on its back wheels, I can roll it about an inch back and forth before the slipper is forced to engage.

So basically there is about an inch of roll back and forth when one set of wheels is locked down.

Logically I can't see why it would do this unless the middle or back belts is massively slipping (broken teeth or belts). The front belt is fine.
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It is likely just the play in the dog bones to the outdrives.
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Originally Posted by Casper
It is likely just the play in the dog bones to the outdrives.
OK thanks, I'll check it out.

It actually feels like maybe one of the pulleys is spinning on a layshaft about 20 degrees back and forth rather than being completely locked down on the layshaft. I haven't heard of this before, so was just curious.
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Anyone running 13.5 adding weight to the chassis?? If so, how much & where??
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I run 13.5 & never needed weight, my car always feels planted.. Ohh, and the other posts on the last page about front pivot blocks, Ive never had a issue with mine..
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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I still it me or does everyone else have a loose front end at the pivot and hinge pins? Mine moves side to side fairly easily vs. my 1.0, which has the Exotek steel hinge pin brace. It's the arms in the pivot, ok, I guess after a while it loosens up but has anyone found a fix? My OCD won't let me let it go, lol.
My front pivot is always fresh because it is constantly breaking
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Really? Granted I am running 13.5 but I have only cracked one front bulkhead.
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I am still on my first front pivot, I've ran a summer season on backyard hard packed dirt, a season indoors on a tight Astro track and again outdoors and so ya, maybe I can try a new pivot, lol.
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Jake Thayer inspired weight loss plan
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Jake Thayer inspired weight loss plan
do run on turf or outdoors?? I would worried running outdoor if I did that
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Jake Thayer inspired weight loss plan
I would have to think that may make the chassis flex a little more but maybe not too much. how much weight did it save?
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Originally Posted by Casper
I would have to think that may make the chassis flex a little more but maybe not too much. how much weight did it save?
Im probably down 50g, Jake mentioned he was closer to 100 but he has done more than i have. I honestly dont think the chassis flex should change because the bottom belt channel is still there.
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Originally Posted by jabroni racing
do run on turf or outdoors?? I would worried running outdoor if I did that
My car will never see sunlight! lol
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