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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 07-06-2017, 12:35 PM
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Not sure how they would hold up to hot mods. These I am sure were intended for 13.5 class which is becoming very popular.
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I race on hard packed dirt - we run Flip Outs and Hole Shots. I have an issue with not enough rear traction - the rear end keeps stepping out on me and I cannot power out of turns. It kinda fees like the front is really pulling the buggy around the track and the rear can't keep up. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to lock in the rear end a little more? Lower front diff oils? 20k front/30k rear?

My Set Up:
Front/Rear
35/30 TLR oils
1.6x2 & 1.7x2 pistons
Silver/Yellow LF springs
23/31mm stroke
30,000/30,000 diff oils
Sway bar on the rear - yellow (medium)
Shocks on the front side of the rear arm (5mm front, 1mm rear spacers)
2-outside/2-inside shock locations
Position 4 on the front tower and a 2mm spacer on the 12.5 deg. front hub
Position 2 on vertical mount with 1mm spacer and position D with a 2mm spacer on the rear hub.
B Ackermann
23mm ride height, front and back.
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what rear toe you running? Go back up to 50K in the front diff. May want to try a front swaybar. Lay the rear shock in on the tower.

May want to try the shocks on the rear of of the tower for more rear weight.
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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I race on hard packed dirt - we run Flip Outs and Hole Shots. I have an issue with not enough rear traction - the rear end keeps stepping out on me and I cannot power out of turns. It kinda fees like the front is really pulling the buggy around the track and the rear can't keep up. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to lock in the rear end a little more? Lower front diff oils? 20k front/30k rear?

My Set Up:
Front/Rear
35/30 TLR oils
1.6x2 & 1.7x2 pistons
Silver/Yellow LF springs
23/31mm stroke
30,000/30,000 diff oils
Sway bar on the rear - yellow (medium)
Shocks on the front side of the rear arm (5mm front, 1mm rear spacers)
2-outside/2-inside shock locations
Position 4 on the front tower and a 2mm spacer on the 12.5 deg. front hub
Position 2 on vertical mount with 1mm spacer and position D with a 2mm spacer on the rear hub.
B Ackermann
23mm ride height, front and back.
Im running a hard packed high bite clay, Ive run bar codes and gridirons, my car has Stock set-up & its planted, all I did was run -1.5 rear camber & -.5 in the front to take a little steering out. Honestly camber is the easiest thing to adjust to add or remove steering
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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I race on hard packed dirt - we run Flip Outs and Hole Shots. I have an issue with not enough rear traction - the rear end keeps stepping out on me and I cannot power out of turns. It kinda fees like the front is really pulling the buggy around the track and the rear can't keep up. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to lock in the rear end a little more? Lower front diff oils? 20k front/30k rear?

My Set Up:
Front/Rear
35/30 TLR oils
1.6x2 & 1.7x2 pistons
Silver/Yellow LF springs
23/31mm stroke
30,000/30,000 diff oils
Sway bar on the rear - yellow (medium)
Shocks on the front side of the rear arm (5mm front, 1mm rear spacers)
2-outside/2-inside shock locations
Position 4 on the front tower and a 2mm spacer on the 12.5 deg. front hub
Position 2 on vertical mount with 1mm spacer and position D with a 2mm spacer on the rear hub.
B Ackermann
23mm ride height, front and back.
I would try going back to the kit front spring, as LF Silver is rather soft. Secondly, I would try 50K in the rear diff and going down 1mm in rear ride height. If your interested I have a setup that I ran in similar conditions, and will be more than willing to share it if you want to compare.
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Frank, can you post setups from this weekends Jconcepts race at Hobby action . . .


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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I race on hard packed dirt - we run Flip Outs and Hole Shots. I have an issue with not enough rear traction - the rear end keeps stepping out on me and I cannot power out of turns. It kinda fees like the front is really pulling the buggy around the track and the rear can't keep up. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to lock in the rear end a little more? Lower front diff oils? 20k front/30k rear?

My Set Up:
Front/Rear
35/30 TLR oils
1.6x2 & 1.7x2 pistons
Silver/Yellow LF springs
23/31mm stroke
30,000/30,000 diff oils
Sway bar on the rear - yellow (medium)
Shocks on the front side of the rear arm (5mm front, 1mm rear spacers)
2-outside/2-inside shock locations
Position 4 on the front tower and a 2mm spacer on the 12.5 deg. front hub
Position 2 on vertical mount with 1mm spacer and position D with a 2mm spacer on the rear hub.
B Ackermann
23mm ride height, front and back.
Put shocks back onto rear of tower.

Go to 3.0 of rear toe

In loose conditions you either need to ditch the rear sway bar or run both front and rear swaybars.

Space hubs forward.
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Was going to put titanium turn buckles and titanium screws in my 22 4, abut how much weight would this save by doing these two things?
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I still it me or does everyone else have a loose front end at the pivot and hinge pins? Mine moves side to side fairly easily vs. my 1.0, which has the Exotek steel hinge pin brace. It's the arms in the pivot, ok, I guess after a while it loosens up but has anyone found a fix? My OCD won't let me let it go, lol.
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Yeah I change my front pivot every 2 race days because of the slop that develops.

I'm also thinking about getting the Lunsford ti screw kit, but at $100 I'd like to know how much weight it will save. Does anyone on here know?
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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I still it me or does everyone else have a loose front end at the pivot and hinge pins? Mine moves side to side fairly easily vs. my 1.0, which has the Exotek steel hinge pin brace. It's the arms in the pivot, ok, I guess after a while it loosens up but has anyone found a fix? My OCD won't let me let it go, lol.
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Originally Posted by AJrollin
Was going to put titanium turn buckles and titanium screws in my 22 4, abut how much weight would this save by doing these two things?
My titanium screw kit saved ~15g (14.9)
Titanium tie rods (TLR kit) saved ~12g (11.8)
Titanium shock mounts are 3g
T-works has titanium king pins for the front arm to caster blocks. That can save 3.4g
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Originally Posted by Casper
My titanium screw kit saved ~15g (14.9)
Titanium tie rods (TLR kit) saved ~12g (11.8)
Titanium shock mounts are 3g
T-works has titanium king pins for the front arm to caster blocks. That can save 3.4g

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Originally Posted by HeavyD99
I still it me or does everyone else have a loose front end at the pivot and hinge pins? Mine moves side to side fairly easily vs. my 1.0, which has the Exotek steel hinge pin brace. It's the arms in the pivot, ok, I guess after a while it loosens up but has anyone found a fix? My OCD won't let me let it go, lol.

I apply CA inside the holes where the hinge pins pass through and also where it has worn where it mounts to the chassis...Brings it back to new like condition with no play. Just be careful when applying the CA in the hinge pin holes as a little to much will make it difficult for the pin to pass through and you'll have to ream it.

Just a fix if you don't have a new one.
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