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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 06-07-2017, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Casper
You can gear down another tooth or take some motor timing out.
You mean run 84/26? How about changing spur to a 78/25 or 76/24? Its the same fdr as 84/27. Would that lower temps?
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
You mean run 84/26? How about changing spur to a 78/25? Its the same fdr as 84/27. Would that lower temps?
Casper means going down a tooth on the pinion to 84/26. Keeping the same fdr with a different pinion/spur will not help temps. You need to gear shorter to bring the temps down.
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Casper means going down a tooth on the pinion to 84/26. Keeping the same fdr with a different pinion/spur will not help temps. You need to gear shorter to bring the temps down.
interesting...I am actually decreasing the tooth number of both spur and pinion when changing gearing. I thought using a smaller pinion like 24t will cool down the motor.
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
interesting...I am actually decreasing the tooth number of both spur and pinion when changing gearing. I thought using a smaller pinion like 24t will cool down the motor.
That will actually introduce more torque which means the motor is working harder. Gearing is weird like that. Striking a balance between speed and heat is a process.
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I assume you increased the timing when you dropped the pinion. If you increased the timing too much you can over time the motor and it will get hot that way as well. Timing settings depend on the motor as not all endbell timing is as "advertised" on the can.

You can drop the spur (which is gearing up) or you can continue to drop the pinion. If the final drive is the same, then it the gears really don't matter all that much. There is some rotating mass to consider here but from a gear ratio point the ratio is the ratio 84/21 is the same as 80/20 and 76/19 (all 4:1 ratio) Car really does not care which one of these you have and will react the same.
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Well my issue is sorted out. Somewhere between sanding the slipper pads and installing a new spur my problems are solved. I am about a 1/2 turn from flush but it is working. It was a bit noisy and then all of a sudden once it hit full throttle it went whisper quiet, lol, so it may have been a slightly tight gear mesh. I'll give it a little more of a gap, but I gotta say I am happy again!
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Can either the front or the side belt from the 1.0 be used in the 2.0? Or are the dimensions a lot different from the universal "front/side" belt in the 2.0?
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Belts did not change.
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whoops wrong thread

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This is the 22-4 2.0 thread. You mentioned 4.0. Just want to make sure you are looking for 4wd setups and not 2wd?
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Anyone run the MIP alum race shafts? Opinions? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by YMMV
Anyone run the MIP alum race shafts? Opinions? Thanks.
Put them in this past week. So far no issues after running yesterday, and heading back to the track today.
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Originally Posted by Team Pink
Put them in this past week. So far no issues after running yesterday, and heading back to the track today.
I knew you had something I didn't have on your car.....lol
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I have been running alum layshafts from t-works for months now. Work great especially in 13.5
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Put them in this past week. So far no issues after running yesterday, and heading back to the track today.
We just installed them also but haven't run them yet. When we went to adjust the slipper it seems that you have to turn the nut 2-3 full rotation past flush with the shaft threads instead of just flush like the steel shaft. Did you notice this too?
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