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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 03-27-2017, 10:45 AM
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6.5 in a 4wd buggy first time racing. That is a lot of power. We are running a lot of 13.5 4wd buggy on the west coast. Lots of fun and more reasonable speeds for a younger driver until he gets some more experience.
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Let me ask you this...is turning down the power percentage on the controller (or programming the ESC a bit) a decent option or do you recommend a different motor altogether until he gets some experience? He's a good driver (we have had SCTE 2.0, 8ight 2.0e and 3.0e also over the last few years) but he hasn't learned to just reign it in and be relaxed and get a rhythm yet.
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You only limit the top end if you adjust the end point on the radio, you don't limit the power output of the motor so you still have a ton of rip out of corners. Some ESC's can allow you to detune some of this as well and some radio's can help control some of this with traction control settings but I would recommend a 13.5 or a 10.5 if he is still learning and once consistency comes up you can drop in a hot mod again.

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Awesome. Danny at SMC was super helpful today on this. He said to drop down the Punch control on his ESC to 2 (stock is 4) so it doesn't hit as hard initially and adjust throttle travel on my Spektrum DX3R to maybe 80-90% and see if it's easier to drive. Then, if it's still too much, try to adjust timing to about 10 degrees to smooth it out some more.

Just to avoid buying another motor....

Tracks we run here are outdoor hard packed semi rough clay with dusting on top so it's easy to lose traction at almost any time if you just mash the throttle. Until it gets a groove in the middle, then it's hard to control because it's hooking up so well that it wants to dart instead of slide.
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I understand the costs of a new motor.
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My 13.5 lap times are not too far off my 6.5 lap times. And I'm average, at best (consistent non-crashing laps)
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9 times out of 10 the AVERAGE racers lap time will be more consistent if not faster with a milder motor. Unless your track has a monstrous straight. Even then, its a negligible difference.
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My average lap times with a 17.5 2wd is more or less the same as my 13.5 4wd.
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I threw up a longish review of this buggy on my YouTube channel for those interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSFFU4V0p8
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
My average lap times with a 17.5 2wd is more or less the same as my 13.5 4wd.
Do you need to run a fan when running a 13.5 set-up?
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I dont know if its needed but I do & recommend it. fans are cheap, 25 or 30 mm on ebay, for 7bux the yeah racing tornado ones
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I don't run a fan on my 13.5 4wd
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Casper, can I ask what motor you run & do you know the timing(from a analyzer) as the can tends to be off a good bit. lol
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I have an older 224 1.0 that I am gonna run in 13.5 wheeler. I know that there is a +3 rear hub that guys are running to raise up the rear axle a bit to improve the bone angle. However, I heard that there is a mod to raise up the front as well. I have tried to look on Petit to see what it was but that site is not up or it doesn't exist anymore. Any other advice to set this up for the 13.5 on HIGH Bite Carpet? Looking forward to getting this back out there because I liked it alot but got frustrated with it. My only concern are the ball diffs but I think they will be ok with the 13.5

Also where should I start with the gearing? I have to change the stock spur I know already and I think I have a 78 but isn't there a 76 spur available as well and would that be a better choice for 13.5?

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