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Here are some good build tips and notes from b1narych0ice (thank you):

Specific build step comments/warnings, including areas I replaced stock parts -- Think of this as a FAQ that answers questions I had from other builders about each step:

A-3: You can instead use TLR Aluminum Servo Mount here.
A-5: Be sure to get the shorter screw in the correct hole.
A-6: Use a 76 or 78T spur if you are running a 13.5T-21.5T motor instead of the 84 in the kit! and...
A-6: The plastic washer between the pulley and the thrust assembly should be oriented so that the flat side goes toward the pulley, and the side with the ring goes towards the thrust assembly's metal washer. Diagram in instructions is correct, you just can't see that this washer isn't flat on both sides from the illustration.
A-7: Be sure the nut holding the Full-Time 4WD assembly is nice and tight, I have seen it get loose in the 1.0 car!
A-9: Put the gears on the jackshaft before the c-clips, so that you don't have to deal with getting the c-clips off to put the gears on

B-2: It seems to be possible to push the outdrives on so tight that they bind when spun, be sure to ensure that they spin freely as the manual notes.
B-7: You're screwing the 1.3mm screws into metal, don't crank so hard you strip the heads on the screws. While this is metal-on-metal, the manual doesn't call for loctite here.
B-8: The rear diff has fewer/bigger teeth, the front diff has more/smaller teeth.
C-3/C-4: TLR Aluminum Bellcranks and Exotek steering rack can be used here to increase durability/reduce steering slop
C-8: TLR Aluminum A/B Horn can be used to increase durability/reduce steering slop.
D-2: Don't worry about the kingpins sticking out the front even when the nut is tight, the bumper will push them in and keep them there.
D-5: Shock tower screws were the tightest plastic part on my kit, look from the side when tightening down the tower at the gap between the tower and the front bulkhead, tighten until this gap is closed.
D-6/D-7: Don't mix up the CVA pins and the hex pins, should be easy because hex pins are black and CVA pins are silver.
D-8/D-9: Use a toothpick to get threadlock in the metal block instead of applying it to the shoulder bolt, so that you don't get it between the plastic spindle and the metal block.
E-1/E-2: Don't mix up the 10mm pins for the rear hexes with the 11mm pins for the rear CVAs! They are packaged together and both silver, so it's easy to think you just have 4 pins that are the same!
G-1: No need to install the post on the right side if you are running a shorty and use velcro to attach the body to the mud guards. You can move the right post up or down a little so that it snugly fits your shorty battery.
G-2: Aluminum Servo Horn can be used here.
G-4: Adjust the length of the link and the servo horn position so that both the servo horn and the horn on the bellcranks are parallel with each other, and perpendicular with the link.

Hope this helps some of you that are putting your kits together, and thanks to Frank and the TLR crew for a solid kit!

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Driveshaft Update from Frank - I've reviewed some parts today from stock. The 'issue' part is definitely the rear CVA driveshaft bone. The pin slot is not 90* to the bore for the barrel. We are working to get good parts made and here for CS use ASAP.

Some of the parts I checked were not 100% free, but definitely run-able. Keep in mind that the driveshafts should wear in fairly well, and quickly (within a few packs). If you have a 22-4 2.0 and are experiencing issues with the driveshafts, we won't have good replacements for probably a couple of weeks (no definitive timeline yet), so I would recommend running them on track for 1-2 packs, then rechecking. I think most will free up well.

I am sorry that we are having an issue. Everything was great during samples until production, but we'll make sure to get it right, and make it right for those with the bad parts.
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What is the proper level for the diffs...i am used to building 8th scale diffs, i would assume its the same?
Just under level. You need some room for the output gear that is in the cap.

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Frank can u explain what is the difference between the a and b horn, TLR331018?
It isn't the horn, it is the ackermann setting. B will have less off power, better mid corner steering. A will have more off power steering, less mid corner.

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Old 02-27-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jabroni racing
Phillip have you tested different distance of fan to motor & if so whats your conclusion to how far away?
My fan is at least 3/8" away from the motor.
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
look at the steering arm on the opposite end of steering rod, not servo horn end but other end.
The plastic square tip on top of that post where that arm pushes on can break but is still held on with the screw through it,
that will move back and forth and be held in last position that the servo pushes it.
Thinking this cuz you said you keep having to adjust the steering sub trim

Chr1s mentioned this post and arm briefly in reply above too
I had this happen when I first got mine. I actually ran an Xray servo saver after that (stole from my TC )for a bit but it just isn't stiff enough. Im a little Leary of having that much aluminum but so far so far, just seems something has to give.
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Which Drive Belt Adjustment insert are you guys using for 13.5T racing?

I race 13.5T and it feels the belt is slipping all the time.
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
Which Drive Belt Adjustment insert are you guys using for 13.5T racing?

I race 13.5T and it feels the belt is slipping all the time.
<-A (A forward). Are you sure it's not the slipper slipping?
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Originally Posted by tsair
<-A (A forward). Are you sure it's not the slipper slipping?
I opened up the buggy and realized I put the belt adjustment insert backwards. Instead of sthe stock setting which is <-B i had it B->. Buy still, shiuld I use <-A instead?
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
I opened up the buggy and realized I put the belt adjustment insert backwards. Instead of sthe stock setting which is <-B i had it B->. Buy still, shiuld I use <-A instead?
Kit setting is B back. So you're already at kit setting. I'm running mine looser than kit. Use whatever keeps the belt tight enough to not slip.
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Originally Posted by tsair
Kit setting is B back. So you're already at kit setting. I'm running mine looser than kit. Use whatever keeps the belt tight enough to not slip.
thanks
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Originally Posted by Chr1s
I've had this happen when the slipper is too tight. Another thing if your using an aluminum a/b horn make sure it's not loose on the post. Your front pivot could also be cracked causing the arm to flex
Gonna check all these tonight . I already checked the pivot so I can rule that out . Thank you for your time bud .
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Originally Posted by AJrollin
Speaking of the front pivot, not only if its cracked but also when it develops a ton of slop where the hinge pins pass through can cause unpredictable steering. If you put a drop of CA on the tip of a hex wrench and wipe it on the inside of the pivot holes it will remove all slop and bring it back to new, if its cracked then time to replace. I did this on the rear arms and this removes all the slop.
Great tip thanks man .
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Originally Posted by F N CUDA
look at the steering arm on the opposite end of steering rod, not servo horn end but other end.
The plastic square tip on top of that post where that arm pushes on can break but is still held on with the screw through it,
that will move back and forth and be held in last position that the servo pushes it.
Thinking this cuz you said you keep having to adjust the steering sub trim

Chr1s mentioned this post and arm briefly in reply above too
Good to know . Ill check tonight . Thank you muchly
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Originally Posted by Phillip F
Which Drive Belt Adjustment insert are you guys using for 13.5T racing?

I race 13.5T and it feels the belt is slipping all the time.
Watch Todd Hodge's video on slipper adjustment. You will notice a big performance change once its set properly.
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Sorry if this has been covered; but I just got a spanking deal on a 22-4 1.0 with tons of goodies; including an rc shox center diff kit. My question is will it work on the 2.0? I already have the 2.0 and bought the 1.0 for my father as a gift for re-entry into the hobby. Thanks for any and all help!
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Yes the center diff kit would work on the 2.0
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This past weekend I had the two bearings on the slipper shaft go bad. I started hearing a slight ticking when it came off the track after practice. I had a hard time hearing where the clicking was coming from, so I had the entire drive train broken down to diagnose. When the belt covers were off, the clicking went away. I eventually figured out that when I bolted the front belt cover down, the clicking came back. It turns out that the pressure of the front belt cover on the (bad) bearings as they rested in their channels, caused the ticking. With that being said, I want to keep some spare bearings (LOSA6093) in my parts bin. $7 for two bearings from TLR seems a bit high. Will these ProTek Bearings work? They are both 3/16 x 3/8, but I just want to be sure there isn't something slightly different with the TLR part number.

https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...tk-10035/p5730
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Nope the bearings are pretty standard.
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