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Team Associated Laydown transmission conversion for B6D:
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1) put inner bearing in hub
2) slide large shim over axle all the way up to the back of the axle
3) slide axle/bone into hub carrier
4) slide small shim onto axle through hub carrier
5) push outter bearing into hub carrier

using that i'm able to put my normal male silverback gorilla wheel nut tightening job and there's no binding. in the pictures that come with the shims (the pic socket posted) it seems like they want you to slide both shims onto the axle before sliding the axle into the hub carrier and like i said, that doesn't work.



I've traditionally done the diff screw head on the left side (driver's side), but have since switched to the Right side (passenger side) regardless of transmission type (3 gear RM vs 3 gear MM and 4 gear MM).

Kdub (Kurt Wenger, former AE designer) had this to say on the matter:

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I think I count as an authority on the matter. I always run my diff screw on the right side (when sitting "inside" the car). I take off the tire and pull the outer hinge pin to get to the adjustment screw.

The right rear is the way the AE manuals state (or used to state). It really shouldn't matter since you go around turns both left and right.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:46 PM   #1981
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All this talk about springs. Anyone buy a B6 and ran it on high bite carpet with the stock setup and springs?

I'm about to take mine out for the first time this weekend.
Yes my son ran his box stock on our high bite carpet track and we had some issues. I couldn't get the ride height below 18mm os we had some tracking rolling. The car is very reactive and almost twitchy with the stock setup/springs.

I went to softer springs front and rear, also went from 2mm to 1mm spacer on the akerman and that settled it down a little.

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so which Associated spring is close to the Kyosho Gold Fronts and Yokomo rear green?

I don't understand why people just gave up on the Associated springs when Associated also have a selection of soft shock springs.
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so which Associated spring is close to the Kyosho Gold Fronts and Yokomo rear green?

I don't understand why people just gave up on the Associated springs when Associated also have a selection of soft shock springs.
Im still running AE springs I think I went to blue in the front and white in the rear.
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And for me if I go to the kyo springs it will be because they are shorter and I really need to get to 17mm ride height.
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So on a B6D with lay down what is the best spring set up for clay (OCRC) track? If you have part numbers if different than AE please let me know. I have had my car built for over a week and have not had time to try it out.
White/Green seems to be the way to go if you are sticking with Associated and running the laydown. Coach isn't running the laydown.
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so which Associated spring is close to the Kyosho Gold Fronts and Yokomo rear green?

I don't understand why people just gave up on the Associated springs when Associated also have a selection of soft shock springs.
Inconsistent rates. I had AE whites almost twice as stiff as their "rating". Then had greens softer than blacks.
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Yes my son ran his box stock on our high bite carpet track and we had some issues. I couldn't get the ride height below 18mm os we had some tracking rolling. The car is very reactive and almost twitchy with the stock setup/springs.

I went to softer springs front and rear, also went from 2mm to 1mm spacer on the akerman and that settled it down a little.
Changing ackerman seems simple enough to do track-side. What about thoughts regarding the need (or lack thereof) for sway bars while running on carpet?
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Inconsistent rates. I had AE whites almost twice as stiff as their "rating". Then had greens softer than blacks.
I noticed that that on average the greens were only .02 harder than the blacks. I measured two pairs of each type.

I thought I was crazy until I read your post.
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I noticed that that on average the greens were only .02 harder than the blacks. I measured two pairs of each type.

I thought I was crazy until I read your post.
Is there an easy way to measure spring rates?
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Changing ackerman seems simple enough to do track-side. What about thoughts regarding the need (or lack thereof) for sway bars while running on carpet?
We ran the rear sway bar on the 5 car so once they start shipping we will run one for sure on the rear. May try the front as well.
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Is there an easy way to measure spring rates?
If you have a drill press and a scale you can measure lbs./in. pretty easily.

I had a Dremel stand that I got cheap from a friend that does the same thing --

http://razorrc.tumblr.com/post/14297.../spring-tester
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When I ran mine for the first time (B6D w/laydown), I ran the kit white/green on our local indoor very high grip clay track. They felt really good. I will try other springs, but I'm almost positive i'll come back to the white/green. They have a really good balanced feel. I was also running the VRP 2x1.6 front and 2x1.7 rear with optional hard valves.
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Is there an easy way to measure spring rates?
Integy makes a small tool for measuring spring rates. You install an empty shock and plunge to a depth. (Tip, you have to preload the spring in order to get an accurate spring rate)

Just a heads up, the spring rate doesn't change much over time. The spring load (height at a given load) can change and that is why you sometimes need to turn the collars down further to get the same ride height.

We have a good industrial tester here at work but there's no way I'm shelling out $20 for a single pair of Kyosho springs to measure. We use high temperature springs that cost a fraction of that. Even made in the US.
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