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Old 02-24-2016, 09:22 AM   #91
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I am kind of new to the whole 12mm front wheel thing, what do you mean by standard wheels won't fit?

The axles are to big for your standard 12mm wheel. All the aka, jc, de wheels would have to be drilled out to fit over the axle, they only fit over the threaded part of the axle. They included the 12 mm setup so people can use there existing wheels but they won't fit without mod.
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The axles are to big for your standard 12mm wheel. All the aka, jc, de wheels would have to be drilled out to fit over the axle, they only fit over the threaded part of the axle. They included the 12 mm setup so people can use there existing wheels but they won't fit without mod.
gotcha. Yeah I never tried the stock axle at all for the front, no issues on the rear. if I get a chance I'll take a look to see if there is any binding on the axle on the JC wheels I have.
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The B5 front hex will make width of the DEX narrower than stock.
wonder if same issue on the exotek?
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I only run bladder shocks as their dampening properties are more consistent than emulsion. I need room for a bladder. I'm honestly not convinced that you have enough room even without them. Yes, you can remove the bump stops but I personally am against that idea. I run the V1 rear shocks and tower on my 210 as a result.

I use 6mm of shims at the wheel end of the tie rods to fix bump steer. Unfortunately, this causes flex at this location so I may end up getting some Exotek aluminum hubs.
Oh, that's kind of put me right off... Someday rc companies might use multi body dynamics CAE analysis in the design phase.
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Oh, that's kind of put me right off... Someday rc companies might use multi body dynamics CAE analysis in the design phase.
The 210 was essentially designed as nothing more than a B4 with a different chassis and gearbox. It was a B4 suspension. The geometry is identical. At least it was. When they decided to make a production car out of it, they couldn't just keep the exact carbon copy so they changed some things. They did gullwing front arms (V1) since Losi was doing gullwing arms. They didn't take into account the difference that upper shock mount points would have to be to maintain the same effective shock geometry though. Associated did think of this and you can see that on the B5 they have different front towers depending on which arms you run, flat or gullwing. Durango didn't take note of the total travel length when their new big bores came out. While the are the same dimensionally as the Associated at full extension, they don't travel in as far. That led to the up travel issues that I've fixed. They also did the mid or rear motor option since Losi was doing it. I do like the gearbox though. That was their design and it is good. The option with one box to go rear or mid in 3 or 4 gear and with the slipper designed in such a way that everything doesn't hang off of one side is great. This also allowed front or rear mounting of the rear shocks on the arms. I'm only a fan of front mounting btw. Keep that weight inside the wheelbase. They came up with the hub insert system that allows you to change toe and caster without replacing entire pieces. That's a great feature that is being copied by others. They didn't do everything bad. Some things are very cool. Unfortunately the suspension geometry issues all go back to the fact that it was someone else's geometry that they copied and then screwed up when they tried to make things unique. I'd personally like to see the entire front of the car chopped off and replaced. Unfortunately this is the same front that the 210F has.

I get that there are features from different manufacturers that are good ideas and worthy of integrating in your own products. That's called design evolution and everyone copies at some point. I like the rear end of the 210F. It has some neat features. I certainly like it better than the B44 rear end based hybrids that convert them to 2wd. I've got complaints about every car in some form or fashion so don't be too put off by my personal opinion. It seems like I'm always attacking Durango because it's their cars that I drive. However it should be noted that it's still their cars that I drive. I won't buy a B5M.
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wonder if same issue on the exotek?
The Exotek Dex axles are designed to match stock DEX width so no width issues there.
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The Exotek Dex axles are designed to match stock DEX width so no width issues there.
offhand do you know how much of a width diff you see?
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offhand do you know how much of a width diff you see?
B5's are 2mm narrower overall
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B5's are 2mm narrower overall
thanks for the info, so 2mm from the total, well, could be worse lol.
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Got my 210F built and almost ready to hit the carpet. I used the 12mm wheel setup as I have a lot of B5m wheels and tires. Pretty happy with the build and happy with how my wiring job came out. One thing I don't like is that they couldn't throw in a 210F specific sticker sheet!? Need to get some dress up stuff as it looks plain jane but I'm excited to see how she feels compared to my B5m on the carpet. Painting a body now and having my painter do one as well. Went with kit setup to start and a Novak GTB3 with a Vulcan 7.5, should be fast.



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looking forward to hearing how it goes for you. have you throw it on some scales to see how weight balance is?
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I'm surprised that you didn't put the esc behind the motor to balance things out.
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getting esc's back there can be a challenge. Even with the hobbywing Stock Spec the capacitor was too big. Ended up mounting it down the railing.
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I'm surprised that you didn't put the esc behind the motor to balance things out.
Wouldn't fit. The GTB3's cap bank makes it hard. Would have rather had it back there but it should be fine up front.
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