26LikesTLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
08-23-2016, 10:37 AM - Wikipost
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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.
Franks response: Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root). Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either. I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'. K.King Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea. 
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11-21-2016, 04:54 AM
#3783
11-21-2016, 07:30 AM
#3785
11-21-2016, 09:49 AM
#3787
I can't get my 3.0 to lower. I run on carpet with small jumps, and I traction roll real bad. My ride hight is about 24 and I can't get it to lower. I'm running 35wt and 30 oil in the rear, shock collars all the way up, red spring front and rear. Shock built dead. I put a large square pack in and it lowered some but not enough. Another local racer has his lower than mine and I showed him. He can't figure it out either. Help
Checking/replacing your oring seals would be my first step.
11-21-2016, 09:57 AM
#3788
11-21-2016, 10:11 AM
#3789
Frank or anyone, first let me say I have quite a bit invested in tlr. I have the 22-4 2.0, 22t 2.0 and 22 3.0 with the laydown and dirt tranny. I will also say I have another laydown car as well, a xray xb2 carpet car. Now I don't race on carpet, run on medium bite clay. I'm really struggling with the 3.0 laydown. I love the steering the car has and the way it rotates. But the car just feels nervous and loose. Setup I have now is Gray associated front spring, Lf white rear spring. 1.6 pistons fron and 1.7 rear, 32.5 front oil, 30 rear to start. The xray car to me is much more planted and stable and has about the same amount of steering as the 3.0. So yeah I'm used to driving a laydown car. I want the losi to work. I don't like running mixed brands. Other losi guys at my track are running stand up and laydown and a losi laydown won today. I tried some suggestions they suggested and it just didn't seem to help. Now I will say my rear diff is pretty tight, not sure of that has anything to do with it. One thing that was suggested I have not tried yet is going to a 2 tooth smaller spur gear to get the motor back just a tick, and running the servo on the back of the aluminum servo mounts.
http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...2016-10-10.pdf
11-21-2016, 02:52 PM
#3790
Well since my stupid phone won't let me multi quote.
Yes I will post pictures
Losi 22 buggy red springs front and back.
11-21-2016, 07:10 PM
#3792
Here are the pictures, remember I'm trying to get it to lower. The battery is in the buggy.
11-21-2016, 07:50 PM
#3793
Can you use different spring cup/retainers? The rear especially could benefit from that.
Also, I find AE springs to be shorter, especially the fronts.
Also, I find AE springs to be shorter, especially the fronts.
11-21-2016, 09:05 PM
#3794
Those are the same as stock they are only longer on the inside to hold the spring from popping off. Unless I'm wrong, they are the Losi ones.
11-21-2016, 09:08 PM
#3795
Tech Apprentice
I had the same problem with my no lay down 22 3.0... couldn't get much below 24mm ride height out of the rear with the stiffer springs for carpet. I finally ended up removing the rear shock collars completely and let them ride on the shock caps. This set the rear ride height around 17-18 mm and no more traction rolling!
I know the other option is to use the lay down kit which is designed for carpet and low ride height, but I am not so keen on the price.
Also for the front, I moved the spindles all the way up (2 mm upper spacer and no lower spacer) and also made the HRC mod to the front pivot and used the stiffer TLR front blue springs which are slightly shorter than the softer springs.
I know the other option is to use the lay down kit which is designed for carpet and low ride height, but I am not so keen on the price.
Also for the front, I moved the spindles all the way up (2 mm upper spacer and no lower spacer) and also made the HRC mod to the front pivot and used the stiffer TLR front blue springs which are slightly shorter than the softer springs.