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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-06-2015, 04:57 PM   #121
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Default 2.0 to 3.0

I did that with my sct 1 to 2. But if I had to do it again I would just get the new kit. I would get parts then realize I missed something, on and on. The upgrade list is huge. A new car indeed.
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Went to my LHS and one of these accidently came home with me

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so not fair!
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That thing would go for $500 on eBay!
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That thing would go for $500 on eBay!
If so, I'd go back to the shop if I were him and get 2 more. Sell 2 and get one for free. Wishful thinking.
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I have a brand new shiny pucks set for my 2.0, can i still use the 2.0 diff and pucks on this car or did you guys change the dimensions in the gearbox
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To Frank: a few questions I'd appreciate answered;

-what setup changes would be needed/ suggested for a genuine off road track: often rough or loose outdoor dirt track with low grip?
You know, the ones everyone raced on before you got spoilt with perfect indoor clay tracks, (which this buggy seems to be primarily designed for)

-will the 2.0 continue to be sold as the rear motor buggy option, or will it be discontinued and replaced with the 3.0?

-is there a rear cab, or mid cab body planned? I seem to be in the minority that really dislikes the cab forward bodies.

Thanks in advance for always replying in the forums, and great work in the design and engineering of the new car- looks impressive, and will no doubt be a winner.
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Another question for Frank:

- Now that TLR only sells the mid-motor 22 buggy, does that mean that you guys consider mid-motor to be equal to or better than rear motor in all conditions (or at least all the conditions that have been tested)? If not, which scenarios might rear motor still be advantageous? I'm just trying to decide if I should hold onto my 22 2.0 for certain tracks, I'll get a 3.0 regardless.

- As you mentioned in the video, the 22 2.0 mid-motor position is more forward since it was developed for carpet and astro tracks. Does this mean that the 22 3.0, with the more rearward motor position, is less suited for those tracks?

- It seems that the box setup for the 22 3.0 is aimed for medium/high grip smooth clay tracks. What setup changes would you suggest for the 22 3.0 for an ultra high grip carpet track? What about loose, rough, and loamy outdoor tracks? Something I wish TLR would include in the manual is multiple setups for common track types as it seems most people run one of these three types of surface.
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I have a brand new shiny pucks set for my 2.0, can i still use the 2.0 diff and pucks on this car or did you guys change the dimensions in the gearbox
Diff it's self is the same as the 2.0 as for the length of the driveshafts, that might keep you from using it. Check the upgrade list to see what carries over from the 22 2.0 If driveshafts aren't on that list, you should be alright.
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Spotted today at Keilor. These buggies look awesome; really, really appreciate the time the TLR driver (Scott) took to explain setting up my v2 also and for checking out a possible issue I had with my bell cranks. Great ambassador for your brand!

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To Frank: a few questions I'd appreciate answered;

-what setup changes would be needed/ suggested for a genuine off road track: often rough or loose outdoor dirt track with low grip?
You know, the ones everyone raced on before you got spoilt with perfect indoor clay tracks, (which this buggy seems to be primarily designed for)

-will the 2.0 continue to be sold as the rear motor buggy option, or will it be discontinued and replaced with the 3.0?

-is there a rear cab, or mid cab body planned? I seem to be in the minority that really dislikes the cab forward bodies.

Thanks in advance for always replying in the forums, and great work in the design and engineering of the new car- looks impressive, and will no doubt be a winner.
Looks like they are running the buggy at Revelation in the video; that track is far from a perfectly groomed high bite indoor track and it looked like it was on rails (it's a 1/8 track).
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i'll be copping one.....

I just hope tlr puts out a cab back body as an option...
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Collin and I attended the first round of the JCP winter points series last night and ran the 22 2.0 car, his car was good and he was able to quilify second and go on to win the 10 minute a main. After the race was over he had a chance to drive another guys 22. 3.0 and all he could do is smile in astonishment about how much better the new car is. It turns, jumps, lands, accelerates, and the rear traction is all better. Then on top of all that it is 100 times better looking. Speed really is a thing of beauty. Thanks TLR for raising the bar in the 2 wheel market.
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i'll be copping one.....

I just hope tlr puts out a cab back body as an option...
There is only one body for the 3.0 at this time. The original 2.0 body will not fit on this car.
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