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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 12-30-2015, 07:12 PM   #1306
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Soooo losi 2.0 1.0 front rims will not fit on new 3.0?
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Soooo losi 2.0 1.0 front rims will not fit on new 3.0?
Not a direct fit. You will need to use the axles from the 2.0/1.0. They are a direct swap.

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Old 12-30-2015, 07:22 PM   #1308
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Ugggghhh OK thanks for info
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:02 PM   #1309
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Soooo losi 2.0 1.0 front rims will not fit on new 3.0?
OMG! Really???? Read people----Read!!
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:11 PM   #1310
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My kit just came in today! Waiting on electronics before I start the build. Getting the body painted though, my painting skills are horrible. So excited!! Thanks Frank and TLR! Can't wait to try this buggy out!!
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Hey guys just got my 3.0 done and letting you know that the stock yokomo yz2 bodies look amazing on the 3.0 and fit perfect.
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Hey guys just got my 3.0 done and letting you know that the stock yokomo yz2 bodies look amazing on the 3.0 and fit perfect.
Don't say Yokomo yz2 to loud. Somebody might notice how similar they look.
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Old 12-30-2015, 09:08 PM   #1313
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Hey guys just got my 3.0 done and letting you know that the stock yokomo yz2 bodies look amazing on the 3.0 and fit perfect.

Do you have a photo you can post with the Yokomo body on the 3.0 by chance ?
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Do you have a photo you can post with the Yokomo body on the 3.0 by chance ?
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Old 12-30-2015, 10:38 PM   #1315
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Great input... one correction though: kit is 1.5F/1.6R
Its funny that you mention this because all of my buddies cars came with what you listed but mine came with 1.6s fr and 1.7s rear. I am very confused by this????
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Its funny that you mention this because all of my buddies cars came with what you listed but mine came with 1.6s fr and 1.7s rear. I am very confused by this????
They all should come with 1.5 x 2 for front, and 1.6 x 2 for rears.
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They all should come with 1.5 x 2 for front, and 1.6 x 2 for rears.
In hindsight... I should have snapped a photo. I have heard of a couple others that had this as well. I am not complaining but rather thought it was a miscommunication of sorts. No big deal as I run 1.6s on all 4 anyways but I swear to you that's what I got in my kit.
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In hindsight... I should have snapped a photo. I have heard of a couple others that had this as well. I am not complaining but rather thought it was a miscommunication of sorts. No big deal as I run 1.6s on all 4 anyways but I swear to you that's what I got in my kit.
Mine has. 1.5 front / 1.6 rears
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1.6f/1.7r seems to be what most of the listed setups call for. Anybody want to take a shot at describing the difference it made for them?
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Alright, had my 3.0 on the track for the first time yesterday. I run on a super high-bite track (NewRed Hobbies). Car was decent out of the box, but I made several changes to help the under steer feeling this car generates compared to the previous models. Kit setup was stock aside from the following:

32.5 weight on all four corners
2x1.6 pistons on all four corners
standard red springs up front
standard pink springs rear
Front roll center shims at 2mm
Rear hub spacing 3mm front 1mm rear
Rear camber block at 0mm
No CVD spacer
Brass kick shim
Battery 2/3 forward

Car felt great to drive and with a few more changes it will be terrific. I managed to "break" my rear shock tower on the RR corner landing gently on a simple tabletop, so I was a bit disappointed in that (posted the picture on the 22 Empire Facebook page). Frank stated that it's not a known issue, but the problem has been popping up here and there. I ordered two new towers and a spare rear camber block from Horizon in preparation for JConcepts SuperCup next weekend. Hopefully the car will make it through two days or racing

PS. I pulled out the 2.0 and TQ'd in Mod lol.
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