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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-06-2015, 12:17 PM   #106
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Converting from a 2.0 - People keep asking for a conversion list to turn their 22 2.0's into 22 3.0's. This list covers all of the mandatory parts, but assumes the racer will already have the bell cranks kit and skips on the new front king pins and axles.
IMO - At $255, I've definiely pay the extra $75 to get a fully new car with brand new diff/CVA/slipper assemblies, bearings, plastics, ball cups, turnbuckles full hardware, etc. Just my $.02

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I love people looking for "necessary upgrades" and set up info for a car that all but doesn't exist yet .... What happened to trying things for yourself ? Are we really to a point in life where a brand new kit needs stuff to make it magical before it even gets put together ?

The buggy looks good , I like some of the details . I look forward to driving one ...Good work team Frank .

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I'm happy to see TLR getting their 2wd mojo back. Does anyone have one on a scale with electronics and a shorty?

Curious about weight as the 22 was often a bit heavier than other 2 wheelers similarly configured.
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I'm happy to see TLR getting their 2wd mojo back. Does anyone have one on a scale with electronics and a shorty?

Curious about weight as the 22 was often a bit heavier than other 2 wheelers similarly configured.
In the video the weight is 1563.
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I'm happy to see TLR getting their 2wd mojo back. Does anyone have one on a scale with electronics and a shorty?

Curious about weight as the 22 was often a bit heavier than other 2 wheelers similarly configured.
It's in the video. I'd recommend watching it, ton's of great details like this and worth the time IMO.

Our 100% stock kit car, painted and stickered body, 2.2" tires and CC inserts, and full Orion stock electrics with a full size servo was 1563g. You will be able to get this under 1499g without breaking a sweat.
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ok, so how many of you have downloaded the manual so you can build it in your mind?
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I'll add another congrats and well done Frank to the mix. The video is extremely helpful and illuminating. Lots of justification presented without crazy marketing language or BS. Worth the time.
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Converting from a 2.0 - People keep asking for a conversion list to turn their 22 2.0's into 22 3.0's. This list covers all of the mandatory parts, but assumes the racer will already have the bell cranks kit and skips on the new front king pins and axles.
IMO - At $255, I've definiely pay the extra $75 to get a fully new car with brand new diff/CVA/slipper assemblies, bearings, plastics, ball cups, turnbuckles full hardware, etc. Just my $.02

All you have to do is buy the new kit and sell your old buggy for $75 bucks. Win Win.
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It's in the video. I'd recommend watching it, ton's of great details like this and worth the time IMO.

Our 100% stock kit car, painted and stickered body, 2.2" tires and CC inserts, and full Orion stock electrics with a full size servo was 1563g. You will be able to get this under 1499g without breaking a sweat.
That's great Frank and thanks for the info (and in general being on these forums). I'll check out the video after work today.

More importantly, will you have one to check out soon at OCRC? I drove Casper's 2.0 with the Exotek chassis and thought it was great and am really excited to see what you guys did with the 3.0.

I can wait 'till you get spares in your box.
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All you have to do is buy the new kit and sell your old buggy for $75 bucks. Win Win.
This is the best way I have ever seen this put in words. I'm stealing this for sure. Well said
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Great video Frank, very informative without a lot of fluff. I really like a number of the updates that have been done to the car, I look forward to driving one.
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With all due respect, that diff is a downgrade. It leaks, outdrives wear out quite fast, and it does not give you consistent diff action. On a high grip track, as I'm sure the team learned in Japan, you need a consistent differential.

I love the look of the new car, it adresses mostly all the things anyone could want, but a true, high precision TLR gear diff is a necessity that I really hope Frank and the boys have in the works for a future release;-)

Until then, keep up the good work Frank!

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Frank, can you confirm that the 2.0 cab forward body does or does not fit the new car? I love the body on your car in your avatar.
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Frank, can you confirm that the 2.0 cab forward body does or does not fit the new car? I love the body on your car in your avatar.
I'm not Frank but I can confirm that it does not fit. It Velcro's to the sides of the chassis, and the chassis are different. If it did actually fit over a 2.0 car, it wouldn't be a clean fit. There are ways to anything "fit" I saw a dude make a body out of a pizza box.
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That's great Frank and thanks for the info (and in general being on these forums). I'll check out the video after work today.

More importantly, will you have one to check out soon at OCRC? I drove Casper's 2.0 with the Exotek chassis and thought it was great and am really excited to see what you guys did with the 3.0.

I can wait 'till you get spares in your box.
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