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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-05-2015, 09:40 PM   #76
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Hey Frank,

How is the stock set up? Is it ready for hard packed and turf or average out door track?
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It's been almost fifteen years since I have owned a Losi vehicle, this will be my first TLR. Definitely like what I see in this chassis layout and design, hoping it drives as good as it looks.
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How is the stock set up? Is it ready for hard packed and turf or average out door track?
Med-High Grip indoor clay.

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It's been almost fifteen years since I have owned a Losi vehicle, this will be my first TLR. Definitely like what I see in this chassis layout and design, hoping it drives as good as it looks.
From what I've heard from team drivers today.... better...
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Car looks amazing! Why does it come with plastic hexes tho?
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:21 AM   #81
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Car looks amazing! Why does it come with plastic hexes tho?
We focused on performance and durability. Aluminum hexes add a lot of cost and NO performance or durability gain. If anything, the molded hexes are lighter than clamping hexes and reduce rotating mass which will increase performance.



I also added a bit to the first post, so be sure to check that out!
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Looks good. Wish the ball cups had holes for a driver though. The AE ball cups (updated ones that don't bind) are awesome.
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Nice job on the video as always, Frank. Very polished and you communicate the new features very effectively. I'm going to pre-order a kit today.

My favorite part of the video is at 17:17 when you say "We've gone transverse!"

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Car looks great Frank!
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Looks good. Wish the ball cups had holes for a driver though. The AE ball cups (updated ones that don't bind) are awesome.
I simply punch holes in mine using my tire/leather punch.
http://www.petitrc.com/setup/losi/TLR2959_Uses/3.jpg
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I simply punch holes in mine using my tire/leather punch.
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I love all the obviously well thought out engineering. For a non-elite club racer like me, I'm more impressed with attention to things like designing for maintenance, durability, simplicity, interchangeability of components... Really appeals to my mechanical engineering side. The rear roll-center adjustement is a brilliant example.

I'm curious to understand why a shorter front arm would be better in someconditions... The rest of the geometry beign the same, you would intuitively think that a wider front track would always be more stable, no? Why not always design to max ROAR width front and rear?
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Wish the ball cups had holes for a driver though.
Agreed 110%...pop'em off a couple times for adjustments/repairs, and they almost always start failing during a race. Seems that TLR cars are about the only ones at my local track popping off ball cups anymore.

Car looks good other than the cups.
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I'm curious to understand why a shorter front arm would be better in someconditions... The rest of the geometry beign the same, you would intuitively think that a wider front track would always be more stable, no? Why not always design to max ROAR width front and rear?
VLA does not alter the track width at the wheels, only the pivot to pivot length of the arm.
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