26LikesTLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
08-23-2016, 10:37 AM - Wikipost
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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.
Franks response: Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root). Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either. I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'. K.King Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea. 
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12-04-2015, 07:46 AM
#706
Tech Regular
12-04-2015, 07:49 AM
#707
Tech Regular
The spacer would go on the axle then put the axle into the hub/bearings. The drive hex makes up the difference so there is no slop
12-04-2015, 07:58 AM
#708
12-04-2015, 08:21 AM
#709
It should land a little better, and have more forward bite. We usually add/remove it based on driving style, and not so much track to track. Jake Thayer's posted setup has them in because he prefers the way they drive. I run without them, kit limiting and have not ever popped the bone out.
The B5 front wheel off-set is WAY off and will make your car illegal at any race and drastically effect handling to the point that tire testing is a lost cause, whether it rubs or not, FYI.
Finally somebody answered this correctly. THANK YOU!!! I kept thinking to myself I don't care if the offset is different if I want to try a different tire for testing purposes. Nobody EVER said that the wheels will lock up because the hex on the rim rubs on the spindle. And I didn't figure that out till I actually tried it and found out for myself. They always say "the offset is different". I don't care about offset. But I do care if the wheels rub on the car.
12-04-2015, 09:01 AM
#710
I don't care if its legal to race or handles bad. Have you ever seen someone put short course tires on a buggy? Or touring car tires on a mini revo? people do strange things all the time weather its legal or not. Not everyone is going to use this buggy in regulated competition. That's misleading when someone is asking if the wheels interchange. 12mm hex to 12mm hex, why wont it work? They actually rub to a point where they don't even turn. So don't do it because of that. I thought offset schmoffset I'm going to try it anyway. I was thinking positive offset a few mm wouldn't hurt anything. But negative offset makes them not work at all. So "offset" is correct. I know you are supposed to guide people to the intended use of the car to get the most out of it. And you are not going to tell anyone how to use the car improperly. I just thought the other guys explanation of why they didn't work was better for guys who are going to try it anyway.
12-04-2015, 09:06 AM
#711
I don't care if its legal to race or handles bad. Have you ever seen someone put short course tires on a buggy? Or touring car tires on a mini revo? people do strange things all the time weather its legal or not. Not everyone is going to use this buggy in regulated competition. That's misleading when someone is asking if the wheels interchange. 12mm hex to 12mm hex, why wont it work? They actually rub to a point where they don't even turn. So don't do it because of that. I thought offset schmoffset I'm going to try it anyway. I was thinking positive offset a few mm wouldn't hurt anything. But negative offset makes them not work at all. So "offset" is correct. I know you are supposed to guide people to the intended use of the car to get the most out of it. And you are not going to tell anyone how to use the car improperly. I just thought the other guys explanation of why they didn't work was better for guys who are going to try it anyway.
12-04-2015, 09:10 AM
#712
Not butt hurt at all, that's the beauty of reading text on a screen. I wasn't able to try it till recently. Then I noticed the other guys comment. And it was the same thing I discovered. Just trying to help others who are going to try this anyway.
12-04-2015, 09:13 AM
#713
I don't care if its legal to race or handles bad. Have you ever seen someone put short course tires on a buggy? Or touring car tires on a mini revo? people do strange things all the time weather its legal or not. Not everyone is going to use this buggy in regulated competition. That's misleading when someone is asking if the wheels interchange. 12mm hex to 12mm hex, why wont it work? They actually rub to a point where they don't even turn. So don't do it because of that. I thought offset schmoffset I'm going to try it anyway. I was thinking positive offset a few mm wouldn't hurt anything. But negative offset makes them not work at all. So "offset" is correct. I know you are supposed to guide people to the intended use of the car to get the most out of it. And you are not going to tell anyone how to use the car improperly. I just thought the other guys explanation of why they didn't work was better for guys who are going to try it anyway.
12-04-2015, 09:16 AM
#714
I don't care if its legal to race or handles bad. Have you ever seen someone put short course tires on a buggy? Or touring car tires on a mini revo? people do strange things all the time weather its legal or not. Not everyone is going to use this buggy in regulated competition. That's misleading when someone is asking if the wheels interchange. 12mm hex to 12mm hex, why wont it work? They actually rub to a point where they don't even turn. So don't do it because of that. I thought offset schmoffset I'm going to try it anyway. I was thinking positive offset a few mm wouldn't hurt anything. But negative offset makes them not work at all. So "offset" is correct. I know you are supposed to guide people to the intended use of the car to get the most out of it. And you are not going to tell anyone how to use the car improperly. I just thought the other guys explanation of why they didn't work was better for guys who are going to try it anyway.
12-04-2015, 10:06 AM
#715
Just because a wheel fits doesn't mean it's correct and you can't always tell by the eye., offset could be off just mm.
12-04-2015, 10:34 AM
#716
Some people need to go look up what scrub radius is and it's effect on handling and then try to figure out how the same tread pattern is going to be tested with any validity between different offset wheels on the same vehicle.
12-04-2015, 10:56 AM
#718
Frank, how do the 12mm 3.0 front wheels compare to 4WD front wheels? Judging from what I saw on pictures, they seem to be pretty close.
12-04-2015, 11:34 AM
#720
