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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-29-2015, 02:00 PM   #526
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Doe anyone know if horizon is shipping the kits?

I placed mine on preorder on Nov 5th and I haven't heard anything!

Any news? Anyone received one from horizon?


Ya same here! Mine just says backordered. Orded Nov 10 thinking we didnt make first batch.
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+1. MM cars are typically best for higher grip tracks. Perhaps set-ups for this car to perform best on low grip should br skewed towards making them handle like a RM?
You'd know Ryde being in Sydney. We might need to get our heads together on it
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I ran on a notoriously low grip track this weekend. I kept the stock set up. I'm running Hobbywings V10 8.5 with a V3.1 speedy - 0 Boost but 10 deg turbo.
The car was super slippery with Proline Suburbs on the rear end, you'd lightly touch the power and you were swapping ends.

Keen to hear thoughts on a dialled low grip set up!
What other rear tires do people run at your track? I used to run Suburbs on some clay tracks, but it would make my car over steer and I'd lose traction in the rear.
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I called horizon on Friday the sales rep told me that they haven't shipped them yet that they would go out early next week. So hopefully he is right
Dude I hope so!!!!
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I ran on a notoriously low grip track this weekend. I kept the stock set up. I'm running Hobbywings V10 8.5 with a V3.1 speedy - 0 Boost but 10 deg turbo.
The car was super slippery with Proline Suburbs on the rear end, you'd lightly touch the power and you were swapping ends.

Keen to hear thoughts on a dialled low grip set up!
I would look at tyres first to see if there is an improvement.
Maybe try Holeshots as I run them in the morning at our track when grip is low them move to a bar tyre when it comes up.
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What other rear tires do people run at your track? I used to run Suburbs on some clay tracks, but it would make my car over steer and I'd lose traction in the rear.
It's an oversteer issue that causes you to correct yourself and it skips out.
The power delivery is another issue, when I lay the power down it lets the rear end go. I've bought the Schelle Nova Clutch kit for it, I'm also running a 24 / 78 ratio. I might need to drop that down to a 22 / 78 ratio.

I did run holeshots too but we're talking stone rough surfaces, the holeshots grip ok but really don't last long on this surface.
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I ran on a notoriously low grip track this weekend. I kept the stock set up. I'm running Hobbywings V10 8.5 with a V3.1 speedy - 0 Boost but 10 deg turbo.
The car was super slippery with Proline Suburbs on the rear end, you'd lightly touch the power and you were swapping ends.

Keen to hear thoughts on a dialled low grip set up!
Not trying to be a jerk, but I've never ran Suburbs on a low grip track. 70% of setup is tires! 20% is ride height, so if try these two first. You can lower your rear ride height of raise your front ride height. Try both and see what combo works best for you!

Also, turbo on low traction isn't the best idea.


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The caveat to this is you have to be at a good starting setup. For the 3.0 I'd consider this stock.
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Not trying to be a jerk, but I've never ran Suburbs on a low grip track. 70% of setup is tires! 20% is ride height, so if try these two first. You can lower your rear ride height of raise your front ride height. Try both and see what combo works best for you!

Also, turbo on low traction isn't the best idea.


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The caveat to this is you have to be at a good starting setup. For the 3.0 I'd consider this stock.
You're not wrong. I'll resist the temptation to change the setup too much and focus on ride height and tyres.

The challenge with this track is there is a cheeky triple that is narly if you get it wrong, you need some horsepower to get over the top of it ok.

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I was able to take a look at Max Flurer's 3.0 this Friday at the Speed RC track here in North Carolina. Very nice car guys. Max put a clinic on and the car looked great on this indoor track.
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Has anyone ran 17.5 in this car yet and if so what gearing are you using?
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You'd know Ryde being in Sydney. We might need to get our heads together on it
Yep, Ryde is my club. Varies a bit. Can be very dusty and slippery at times.
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Has anyone ran 17.5 in this car yet and if so what gearing are you using?
Haven't run one but I don't think they changed the ratio in the gear box so gearing should be the same as what you'd use on any 22 or B4/5.
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