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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 10-12-2016, 10:23 AM   #3631
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Frank, I saw you were pretty quick at the JCONCEPTS race at rc excitement any chance of a set up sheet or any information like that. I have had the car for a couple months and haven't raced it yet. But the car seems to push on corner entry and very loose on power of corner exit.
I'm going to post my setups and Max's as soon as I get Max's setups back.

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I'm not familiar with MKS servos. You want the steering link to be perpendicular to the chassis, so just space accordingly.
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Hey Frank, i am in the market for a 2nd buggy. i currently own the 3.0 with the stand up tranny and want to get the laydown for the higher bite conditions. Is there anything in the works for a dirt laydown car being released?
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Hey Frank, i am in the market for a 2nd buggy. i currently own the 3.0 with the stand up tranny and want to get the laydown for the higher bite conditions. Is there anything in the works for a dirt laydown car being released?
Not right now.
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Hey guys.
What brand of spur gears do u use for stock.
I still want the slipper though. No slipper eliminater.
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What brand of spur gears do u use for stock.
I still want the slipper though. No slipper eliminater.
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There are a few options.

You can run the older style spur and slipper pads from the earlier generation 22's. Or you could run the avid slipper setup. Or a few after market companies make 72r Spurs that will fit with the new hds slipper pads.
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What brand of spur gears do u use for stock.
I still want the slipper though. No slipper eliminater.
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i use an ae slipper, i like the vented disks, and i like the jc spur gears
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I went to the Avid setup for my 17.5 buggy. I had some of the old style 22 slipper parts laying around, but I thought I might as well go with the Avid. I really like the consistency of the Avid, which lead me to get one for my mod buggy too. The only thing is that I find a bit more noise coming from the gear mesh (using the TLR pinions). I'm not sure if that's due to a slightly different profile of the teeth, or to the Avid spur being a harder material. It hasn't negatively impacted performance so far as I can tell.
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Hey guys, how does the team mount the servo on the back? I bought the aluminum servo mounts and new stiffezell mud guards but the servo horn hits the top bulkhead. Do I need to trim material off the top bulkhead?
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Hey guys, how does the team mount the servo on the back? I bought the aluminum servo mounts and new stiffezell mud guards but the servo horn hits the top bulkhead. Do I need to trim material off the top bulkhead?
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Default weighted hinge mount

In the setups with the weighted hinge pin brace, is the better option the 24g Exotek option (this one: https://www.amainhobbies.com/exotek-...xo1651/p498369) or the TLR one that appears to be 30g (this one: http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...odID=TLR334035)

I'm assuming these are the same thing and just different weight? Or are they different parts altogether?

Any use for the rear/rear brace for another 9g? (this one: https://www.amainhobbies.com/exotek-...xo1654/p505837)
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In the setups with the weighted hinge pin brace, is the better option the 24g Exotek option (this one: https://www.amainhobbies.com/exotek-...xo1651/p498369) or the TLR one that appears to be 30g (this one: http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...odID=TLR334035)

I'm assuming these are the same thing and just different weight? Or are they different parts altogether?

Any use for the rear/rear brace for another 9g? (this one: https://www.amainhobbies.com/exotek-...xo1654/p505837)
The TLR brass pivot only fits the stand up tranny directly, but can fit the laydown with some modification.
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The TLR brass pivot only fits the stand up tranny directly, but can fit the laydown with some modification.
Oh, good to know! Was thinking about ordering one and trying the standard laydown next time I run on clay.

What is the max ride height you recommend with the standard laydown? Seems like about 20 mm at least, but I don't know if it's okay with a little more.
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Oh, good to know! Was thinking about ordering one and trying the standard laydown next time I run on clay.

What is the max ride height you recommend with the standard laydown? Seems like about 20 mm at least, but I don't know if it's okay with a little more.
Max is about 21mm, before it starts doing weird stuff.
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There are a few options.

You can run the older style spur and slipper pads from the earlier generation 22's. Or you could run the avid slipper setup. Or a few after market companies make 72r Spurs that will fit with the new hds slipper pads.
Silly question, but does that mean I just need the old 22 pads and old 22 spur, and use my 3.0 slipper plates? Thanks.
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Silly question, but does that mean I just need the old 22 pads and old 22 spur, and use my 3.0 slipper plates? Thanks.
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