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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 10-01-2016, 02:49 AM   #3556
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Finaly pulled the trigger. Bought my first 2wd off road buggy. It's the 22 3.0 Can't wait for the mail man to deliver...

Used to race the short course class only. But i was always attracted to the 2wd class. So now i finally join this class as well.

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Matt, is your motor or motor plate touching the chassis? That'd turn the chassis plate into a big ol' resonator.
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2 questions for Frank,

1, what effect does running the spindle shims like dakotah does have on the handling

2, my dirt laydown is loud. i mean really loud...i hae cleaned and greased the gears, it has done it since i got it, i have changed the sour gear and the pinion gear, i expect some noise with the metal on metal gears, but this squeel is something, my car is noticably louder than other cars at the track.

Ideas??

as always, thank you
The aluminum idle gear is the culprit. I'd like to see a plastic one. I have also notice when tightening down the tranny case screws it puts a little drag on the drive train. just snug on the screws to allow it to spin free. this might help to quite things down a bit.
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Are TLR and Exotek the only companies that offer laydowns? And what to look for before buying a used 3.0? TIA
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I think its a machining issue...when I ran the regular laydown we never had the noise compared to the new "dirt laydown" transmission. Either way it's a great car and I can deal with a little noise for the WIN!
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2 questions for Frank,

1, what effect does running the spindle shims like dakotah does have on the handling

2, my dirt laydown is loud. i mean really loud...i hae cleaned and greased the gears, it has done it since i got it, i have changed the sour gear and the pinion gear, i expect some noise with the metal on metal gears, but this squeel is something, my car is noticably louder than other cars at the track.

Ideas??

as always, thank you
Raising the hubs up front will give you more on power steering.
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The aluminum idle gear is the culprit. I'd like to see a plastic one. I have also notice when tightening down the tranny case screws it puts a little drag on the drive train. just snug on the screws to allow it to spin free. this might help to quite things down a bit.

i am doing that now...cause i noticed that also...mine is really noticeable...matt maiers car is not as loud..
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Raising the hubs up front will give you more on power steering.
thank you sir....this is what i am looking for..
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Matt, is your motor or motor plate touching the chassis? That'd turn the chassis plate into a big ol' resonator.
ill check...it sounds like to tight of gear mesh...
it drives me nuts...lol
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Question: I am going to do the laydown conversion with the dirt case. I was looking at the instructions and they show a gear differential being used. Is the ball diff compatible? And if a ball diff is compatible would my MIP pucks system still work?
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Question: I am going to do the laydown conversion with the dirt case. I was looking at the instructions and they show a gear differential being used. Is the ball diff compatible? And if a ball diff is compatible would my MIP pucks system still work?
the ball dif is compatable, as are the correct version of the mip pucks
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the ball dif is compatable, as are the correct version of the mip pucks
That's another thing I'm worried about. I bought the pucks system last season and they were labeled 2.0/3.0 bit now I see they have a 3.0 only version and the out drives look different then mine...
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That's another thing I'm worried about. I bought the pucks system last season and they were labeled 2.0/3.0 bit now I see they have a 3.0 only version and the out drives look different then mine...
The outdrives are the same. The bones are different so you can run standard TLR axles and they are longer to sit further in the outdrive. Just make sure you run the spacer on the axle with yours.
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Frank or anyone, with the dirt laydown conversion, are most people running the brass front block or aluminum hubs?
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Here's my current setup.
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