TLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
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#3421
In our region (upper midwest), traction has been steadily falling, not gaining. We were pulling wheelies on slicks in the RM days, now one must dial in the tire prep, or the car will be difficult to drive, and slow. The correct tires, new out of the bag are almost un-drivable.
I am a long time racer who doesn't race very frequently anymore. I am considering trying the 4-gear because I do not get the practice time necessary to get "fast" with a looser setup. See comment about tire prep above.
#3422
Tech Master
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It was designed in a market where traction was always super high (UK carpet). If I recall, it was competitive but fragile.
In our region (upper midwest), traction has been steadily falling, not gaining. We were pulling wheelies on slicks in the RM days, now one must dial in the tire prep, or the car will be difficult to drive, and slow. The correct tires, new out of the bag are almost un-drivable.
I am a long time racer who doesn't race very frequently anymore. I am considering trying the 4-gear because I do not get the practice time necessary to get "fast" with a looser setup. See comment about tire prep above.
In our region (upper midwest), traction has been steadily falling, not gaining. We were pulling wheelies on slicks in the RM days, now one must dial in the tire prep, or the car will be difficult to drive, and slow. The correct tires, new out of the bag are almost un-drivable.
I am a long time racer who doesn't race very frequently anymore. I am considering trying the 4-gear because I do not get the practice time necessary to get "fast" with a looser setup. See comment about tire prep above.
The biggest issue of the car for US tracks was insufficient ride height and droop. You simply couldn't drive it on US tracks with our crazy jumps. It was a pure grass/turf car back in its time. Perfect for a rally or touring car.
I've had 4 gear and 3 gear cars from different manufacturers and overall I prefer 3 gear. When the track is completely blown out or dusty, I do like how the 4 gear just seems to have better forward traction.
But I prefer the overall agility and balanced turning that I experience with a 3 gear, so especially at a lower level of driving, I would give it a try.
#3424
Tech Fanatic
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It was designed in a market where traction was always super high (UK carpet). If I recall, it was competitive but fragile.
In our region (upper midwest), traction has been steadily falling, not gaining. We were pulling wheelies on slicks in the RM days, now one must dial in the tire prep, or the car will be difficult to drive, and slow. The correct tires, new out of the bag are almost un-drivable.
I am a long time racer who doesn't race very frequently anymore. I am considering trying the 4-gear because I do not get the practice time necessary to get "fast" with a looser setup. See comment about tire prep above.
In our region (upper midwest), traction has been steadily falling, not gaining. We were pulling wheelies on slicks in the RM days, now one must dial in the tire prep, or the car will be difficult to drive, and slow. The correct tires, new out of the bag are almost un-drivable.
I am a long time racer who doesn't race very frequently anymore. I am considering trying the 4-gear because I do not get the practice time necessary to get "fast" with a looser setup. See comment about tire prep above.
Yes it was fragile. Kinwald ran one and had some success with it. Was like 97 or something like that? If someone got the design out of mothballs added a touch of durability I think the car would do well.
#3425
Tech Regular
Frank,
On your Stock Nats setup (and others) you have LW listed for traction compound on your gold dirt webs. Is it penetrating or lubricating?
thanks
On your Stock Nats setup (and others) you have LW listed for traction compound on your gold dirt webs. Is it penetrating or lubricating?
thanks
#3427
So good to know i bought a kit thats so well supported with people kind enough to share there knowledge with rookie's like myself , Much appreciated
#3428
Suspended
1997 was the height of Kinwald's Losi reign, and they had the XX4 by then.
#3431
Tech Champion
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Not trying to spark a debate that everyone needs to run mod, etc.. but the fact remains that there is a demand for stock racing so why not offer a kit with all the stock specific hop ups where, yeah it might be a little more expensive than the mod kit, but certainly far less expensive than a stock racer having to buy all the stock parts separately.
If I had to pick between 2 brands and one offered a "Stock Racing Option", then it would be a no brainer for me to buy that version and save some cash in the long run (slipper elim, aluminum driveline parts). Plus eliminate the headache of trying to research which parts to upgrade, etc..
#3433
It would result in a more expensive kit that would sell in smaller numbers. This is messy and less profitable. TLR has probably done very well selling parts packs for steering, chassis kits, and Lauren transmission. It would have cost much more to keep rev'ing the kit.
#3434
Tech Adept
The lightweight parts (pucks, slipper eliminators) are all unnecessary. While they make a subtle difference, it is not a great enough difference to measure on the time sheets (you certainly can't tell which cars do and don't have these parts watching them run).
It would result in a more expensive kit that would sell in smaller numbers. This is messy and less profitable. TLR has probably done very well selling parts packs for steering, chassis kits, and Lauren transmission. It would have cost much more to keep rev'ing the kit.
It would result in a more expensive kit that would sell in smaller numbers. This is messy and less profitable. TLR has probably done very well selling parts packs for steering, chassis kits, and Lauren transmission. It would have cost much more to keep rev'ing the kit.
The cost of the conversion (£150!!!!!!!) and the fact you have to have two chassis as the stand up box won't fit the laydown chassis and vice versa is putting me off getting it and it would be cheaper to go the AE route which is a shame as I think this car has potential but I can't justify the outlay. IMO if losi bought out the car with a chassis that takes both gearboxes, modded the plastic hubs with inserts you flip and supplied both boxes in one kit they would sell more for not a lot of on-cost once the molds are made.
Come on TLR - make it happen!!
#3435
I'd agree with most of that apart from the laydown conversion - I bought a 3.0 to try as I race at three tracks (1 med to high grip most of the year, 1 med to low and a low grip) and on wet astro / low to med grip the car works very well but when I went to the third track it's undriveable and I'm a second a lap of my kf times and I crash more due to grip roll no matter what I've tried with setup.
The cost of the conversion (£150!!!!!!!) and the fact you have to have two chassis as the stand up box won't fit the laydown chassis and vice versa is putting me off getting it and it would be cheaper to go the AE route which is a shame as I think this car has potential but I can't justify the outlay. IMO if losi bought out the car with a chassis that takes both gearboxes, modded the plastic hubs with inserts you flip and supplied both boxes in one kit they would sell more for not a lot of on-cost once the molds are made.
Come on TLR - make it happen!!
The cost of the conversion (£150!!!!!!!) and the fact you have to have two chassis as the stand up box won't fit the laydown chassis and vice versa is putting me off getting it and it would be cheaper to go the AE route which is a shame as I think this car has potential but I can't justify the outlay. IMO if losi bought out the car with a chassis that takes both gearboxes, modded the plastic hubs with inserts you flip and supplied both boxes in one kit they would sell more for not a lot of on-cost once the molds are made.
Come on TLR - make it happen!!