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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea.

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Old 08-16-2016, 06:50 AM
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Frank I have been looking on the TLR site and i don't see the laydown dirt trans case could you give me the part number
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That's the only reason...and I want TLR aluminum 67mm driveshafts because I don't want to put the MIP system on my car.
Me neither.
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For those of you working with the laydown and laydown dirt tranny - this question's for you. I recently built up both these cases and find that neither seem as smooth as I'd hope (bearings are smooth and clean). Are there any tips and/or tricks to help? Or is a bit of breaking in required to smooth up the transmission.

From what I have done so far I do see things get really bound if screws are over-tightened.

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Me neither.
Titanium drive shafts would be nice. Or would they create additional wear on the outdrives? Maybe titanium shafts with steel pins?
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For those of you working with the laydown and laydown dirt tranny - this question's for you. I recently built up both these cases and find that neither seem as smooth as I'd hope (bearings are smooth and clean). Are there any tips and/or tricks to help? Or is a bit of breaking in required to smooth up the transmission.

From what I have done so far I do see things get really bound if screws are over-tightened.

-Thanks, Todd
Other than cleaning up bearings and using a lubricant on them, I used protek white grease on the gears. Smooth as can be if not the smoothest TLR transmission to date.
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Originally Posted by toddmanley
For those of you working with the laydown and laydown dirt tranny - this question's for you. I recently built up both these cases and find that neither seem as smooth as I'd hope (bearings are smooth and clean). Are there any tips and/or tricks to help? Or is a bit of breaking in required to smooth up the transmission.

From what I have done so far I do see things get really bound if screws are over-tightened.

-Thanks, Todd
Good morning Todd. Couple things I look for is to make sure the bearings are smooth. If smooth but slightly dry, I'd do a drop of bearing oil to see if that helps. If running ceramics I really like Schelle Black Diamond oil as it works really well. Lastly like Will said put a little grease on the gears. I use just the grease that comes in the kit. A little goes a far way.

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What wheels are you guys using for carpet tires? There is a carpet track opening soon and need wheels and tires for it.
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Originally Posted by toddmanley
For those of you working with the laydown and laydown dirt tranny - this question's for you. I recently built up both these cases and find that neither seem as smooth as I'd hope (bearings are smooth and clean). Are there any tips and/or tricks to help? Or is a bit of breaking in required to smooth up the transmission.

From what I have done so far I do see things get really bound if screws are over-tightened.

-Thanks, Todd
If using the gear diff, you can shim it and that allows you to tighten the screws all the way down with no scrubbing.

I discuss it here
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...l#post14344273
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What wheels are you guys using for carpet tires? There is a carpet track opening soon and need wheels and tires for it.
We use Dboot carpet tires at our local carpet track. Some people also run the gone bananas foams.
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I was running the new dirt tranny bone dry - a little grease did the trick.
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What wheels are you guys using for carpet tires? There is a carpet track opening soon and need wheels and tires for it.
Schumacher mini pins and cut staggers are the go-to here. I ran the new JConcepts pin downs and swaggers last weekend though and they are easily my new favorite. Just remember that for either of those front tires (and for Proline wedges as well), they are meant to go on a narrow wheel, so cut the inside rib off a regular wheel before mounting them.
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So we are cutting down the inner area of the wheel to fit the tires, so what is the best way thou have found to trim it down?
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So we are cutting down the inner area of the wheel to fit the tires, so what is the best way thou have found to trim it down?
Lexan scissors.

Trim the inner section off the fronts, rears are good to go.

No foams in the low profile fronts.

Soft open cell foams in schumacher rears.
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Titanium drive shafts would be nice. Or would they create additional wear on the outdrives? Maybe titanium shafts with steel pins?
I wouldn't want titanium for my driveshafts, titanium is a brittle metal so it may just split before it would bend, and in that application it is useless because a thicker aluminum shaft will be about the same weight and strength and cost less. Titanium makes sense in screws and turnbuckles because it strong and light for it's density, but in something that you can make very thick, aluminum is just a cheaper, lighter option.
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Why not carbon fiber driveshafts?
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