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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-16-2015, 04:22 AM   #271
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The car Tyler got wasn't a full production car I believe and we didn't have any issues with bell crank bearings. I tightened ours like normal and with the shim on top I had a tiny amount of up and down movement on the post like there should be. Not saying something couldn't have changed but that's weird you guys having that issue.

In another note. Tyler got to run his for the second time this weekend on a medium bite, little rough, get some dust on it clay. Once we put right compound tires on, car was hooked up!! JP Richards was there running too and Tyler tq'd over him in third round. Checked out in the main with the win by putting entire field down a lap or more. Tyler said the track was definitely slicker in main but still had way more grip than his old really dialed in 2.0! Car is amazing and I think a lot of people will like it!!
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No issue so far with my build. Front and rear ends are on chassis just tranny and shocks to go. Manual does show and provide shims for steering and mine doesnt bind.
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No issue so far with my build. Front and rear ends are on chassis just tranny and shocks to go. Manual does show and provide shims for steering and mine doesnt bind.
Glad build is going good for you!! We had a lot of people come and grab the car this weekend and check it out. A ton of people watching it on track too. All positive feedback from racers and future racers. Even competition admit to thinking the car is good. I will try to help on here if I can with questions. Tyler and are very approachable if you are ever at a race and we are there. Don't hesitate to come say hi or ask questions. That's one of my favorite parts to this sport.
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Very interesting as I struggle a bit consistency wise with the YZ2 on astro (but it works really well on carpet).
You could use some additive on wet astro, it works great and minipins silver too, more grip, more forward drive.

This 3.0 looks good for sure, they did a great job on a lot of aspects, I really like it.
Interesting post regarding the use of additive - may I ask which track(s) your tested this on and which brand of additive your using?

Normally mini pins are useless on astro in the wet no matter what compound you use although I don't use them normally as the BRCA Control tyre is mini spikes not pins so I don't bother to set my car up on a tyre I can't run legally
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:55 AM   #275
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Will the tranny case you ran at the worlds be availible as an option to the car? It would be great for winter carpet racing;-)
I've been wondering this too
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Will part TLR334005 fit the 3.0?

Or TLR334014?
TLR334005 spindles will fit on the car but they are not correct for the 3.0 front geometry which was updated with the belcranks.

TLR334014 are the alum rear hubs and would be a direct replacement.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:59 AM   #277
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I started this build last night, overall I'm really happy with the car. The quality is good, the pricing is great and you get a hell of a lot of car for your money.

A couple of pain points I've found though;

- Bell crank bearings, the sit a fraction of a mm above the bell crank arms so when you fasten down the front bulkhead the bearings bind. You need to back them off to get free play in the bearing which means the screw and bulk head are not secure.

- The mud guards, non of the holes line up. So you need to jig and shimmy fasten and unfasten to get them to a point where they line up.

Otherwise good car, but the bell crank bearing issue is a biggy.
If you go all hulk on the bolts going into the top of the steering posts, you can "crush" the plastic and cause the plastic of the bulkhead to crush over and around the shim and then hit the outer race of the bearing. Or, you didn't fully seat the bearings in the bell cranks. The bell cranks are usually a little loose up/down on the shaft, and add another washer to take that gap up.

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A handful of team drivers, and the cars are available to everyone in Australia now.

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What is the part number for the 70T spur? Will the avid or Schelle slipper system fit the 3.0?
TLR3978 = http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...ProdID=TLR3978

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Will part TLR334005 fit the 3.0?

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TLR334005 - These will fit, but the ackermann will be a bit different.

TLR334014 - These are a direct fit.
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If you go all hulk on the bolts going into the top of the steering posts, you can "crush" the plastic and cause the plastic of the bulkhead to crush over and around the shim and then hit the outer race of the bearing. Or, you didn't fully seat the bearings in the bell cranks. The bell cranks are usually a little loose up/down on the shaft, and add another washer to take that gap up.
I've tried that, but the bearing doesnt slip into the bellcrank arm, you need to give it a little elbow and it still protrudes slightly so that the bulkhead catches it. The shim is in place and it's fine.
I'll fiddle around with it and get it in place.

The car is A++ though, I can't think of a single hop up or piece you'd need to finish it off. Really recommend
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I've tried that, but the bearing doesnt slip into the bellcrank arm, you need to give it a little elbow and it still protrudes slightly so that the bulkhead catches it. The shim is in place and it's fine.
I'll fiddle around with it and get it in place.

The car is A++ though, I can't think of a single hop up or piece you'd need to finish it off. Really recommend
I have only seen one so far and on that buggy he only had aluminum rear hexes, otherwise the car was box stock and was frikin dialed!
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Frank, can you explain the deletion of the 7.5 x 5 x 1mm spacer on the axle before the rear hub? It was added to the 2.0 for dogbone plunge if I remember correctly. Are the 3.0 arms 1mm shorter?
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Frank, can you explain the deletion of the 7.5 x 5 x 1mm spacer on the axle before the rear hub? It was added to the 2.0 for dogbone plunge if I remember correctly. Are the 3.0 arms 1mm shorter?
This is still an option on the 3.0, just like the 2.0.
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Glad build is going good for you!! We had a lot of people come and grab the car this weekend and check it out. A ton of people watching it on track too. All positive feedback from racers and future racers. Even competition admit to thinking the car is good. I will try to help on here if I can with questions. Tyler and are very approachable if you are ever at a race and we are there. Don't hesitate to come say hi or ask questions. That's one of my favorite parts to this sport.
Hey! I was one that checked out your 3.0. Thanks a million for taking the time. My son and I are both running RB6's. Everyone is converting to 3 gear and sideways shortys but the 3.0 seems to be the first specifically engineered for it. Really nice piece.

My big question right now...
Is the wheel offset the same as B5M/RB6 or am I looking at starting all over with wheels and tires??

Thanks again Randy! Hope to see you guys again soon!
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Hey! I was one that checked out your 3.0. Thanks a million for taking the time. My son and I are both running RB6's. Everyone is converting to 3 gear and sideways shortys but the 3.0 seems to be the first specifically engineered for it. Really nice piece.

My big question right now...
Is the wheel offset the same as B5M/RB6 or am I looking at starting all over with wheels and tires??

Thanks again Randy! Hope to see you guys again soon!
From what I have heard the fronts are definitely different offsets, not sure of the rears.
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Glad build is going good for you!! We had a lot of people come and grab the car this weekend and check it out. A ton of people watching it on track too. All positive feedback from racers and future racers. Even competition admit to thinking the car is good. I will try to help on here if I can with questions. Tyler and are very approachable if you are ever at a race and we are there. Don't hesitate to come say hi or ask questions. That's one of my favorite parts to this sport.

Id love to take you up on that hopefully I can get to the states for a race or two some time
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