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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 04-14-2016, 07:34 AM   #2611
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What gearing for a 13.5?

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Kevin always liked ur setups from the other brand, u mind sharing ur latest setup?
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I think a true tell tale sign if the forward mounted shocks is a good idea and worked is knowing if Ellis TQd and won the big race. If yes, then hack away at the arms at will. :-)
If he TQ'd & won then it's safe to assemble he'd have done it without this single modification. Better for us club racers to trust TLR's engineering and not hack up our cars.
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Yeah sure thing!
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Would anyone be able to tell me the part number for the new TLR slipper delete
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/79jy9lcbuk5kqc6/Kevin%20King%20April.pdf?dl=0

The camber is reading goofy but it's 2-B

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did the lay down kits start shipping out
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The camber is reading goofy but it's 2-A.
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pretty much the same, the only difference is I'm running short vla and 1 inside on front shocks. By going to long VLA how did it effect the car?
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pretty much the same, the only difference is I'm running short vla and 1 inside on front shocks. By going to long VLA how did it effect the car?
I felt like the car is more stable at least on my current layout. I can really drive it into the corner and it doesn't want to dump over. We have a straight that goes into a tight turn with 3 step downs into another right turn and a big triple. This seemed to keep the front end flatter and just more stable through there. Short was good also but just a little more aggressive if the weight didn't transfer perfect over that section.
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I felt like the car is more stable at least on my current layout. I can really drive it into the corner and it doesn't want to dump over. We have a straight that goes into a tight turn with 3 step downs into another right turn and a big triple. This seemed to keep the front end flatter and just more stable through there. Short was good also but just a little more aggressive if the weight didn't transfer perfect over that section.
Told you long arm was good...
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Told you long arm was good...
That's why I measured everything on your car last weekend lol
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If he TQ'd & won then it's safe to assemble he'd have done it without this single modification. Better for us club racers to trust TLR's engineering and not hack up our cars.
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If he TQ'd & won then it's safe to assemble he'd have done it without this single modification. Better for us club racers to trust TLR's engineering and not hack up our cars.
Mmmm.... Chances are he had a good bit of time on that suspension to know the pro's/con's with it. But, I doubt he ran it at risk of a performance loss. He has created a lot of mods for cars over the years, & some were really cool.

It's fun to tinker to learn, if that's your thing.. whether it's mod'n an OEM, or trying crazy setup changes.. To each their own. I like to do both.. To learn. And it's not cheap..

+1 on the typical club racer... Put your time into learning setup & no wrecks! It'll save you money & make you a lot faster.

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what are u guys using to space the front axle .40mm?
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A lot of assumptions.
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what are u guys using to space the front axle .40mm?
Just normal ones. Just remember when you space out the axle to do the same on the inside to fill the void when the axle is moved out. I've gone as much as 1mm so you will need a total of 2mms of shims
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