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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea.

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Old 02-14-2016, 02:24 PM   #2026
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Does TLR have any plans to make smaller spur gears for the stock racers?
Can't, the new slipper pads are just too large. Just as easy to use the older round pads or use AE pads/spurs (which are cheaper).
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tlr offers the 70 which should allow you to get the proper gear ratio.
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tlr offers the 70 which should allow you to get the proper gear ratio.
They don't in the new hds spur. I am going to try gearing with the 76 and see how it works. If I don't like it I will use the the round pad spur or AE.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:50 PM   #2029
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I just got the avid evo slipper. Got the 72/76 stock. I had the Losi 70 just felt it need a little more off the corner.
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They don't in the new hds spur. I am going to try gearing with the 76 and see how it works. If I don't like it I will use the the round pad spur or AE.
They cannot with the HDS pads. For stock slipper is not as critical an adjustment and the round pads of the old style get the job done as many run no slipper these days.

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I've been running the Schelle Nova slipper/spur setup for stock racing, it comes with a 69T spur and has quite a bit less rotating mass than the stock or AE slipper setups.

For $30 it's a nice way to lose some rotating mass without any real drawbacks.
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I've been running the Schelle Nova slipper/spur setup for stock racing, it comes with a 69T spur and has quite a bit less rotating mass than the stock or AE slipper setups.

For $30 it's a nice way to lose some rotating mass without any real drawbacks.
How much less rotating mass?
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First time racing the 22 3.0 after a few short practice sessions at Nor-Cal here in San Jose, CA. Qualified 4th for the 17.5 Intermediate field knowing the car was feeling pretty dialed (driver nerves didn't help thru the qualifying heats).

My Proline Primes felt better and were faster than the Jconcept Smoothies today. Biggest change from the limited practice was changing the anti-squat from 2.0 to 2.5.

Won both mains and the car handled great. Topped the final main heat by laying down a pace that was a lap faster than my previous first main heat.

Our small group of TLR guys have been racing really well lately. Here are some setup highlights:

-Exotek steering rack - really smooth and solid
-Exotek slipper eliminator with 64-pitch gearing (41/96)
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-32.5/30wt oil, 2x1.6 all around, Kyosho gold spring all around
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How much less rotating mass?
I would like to know exactly too The Schelle setup weighs 12g with the slipper and spur.

http://www.schelleracing.com/Schelle-Nova-Slipper-Assembly-SCH1300
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Avid states it is TRIAD 11.2g Vs. Stock 16.4g. 20% more torque also.
http://www.avidrc.com/product/5/acce...cessories.html
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Exotek makes a pretty dialed no slipper setup as well.
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Default Schumacher KF vs 22 3.0

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Has anyone had the KF before the 3.0, if so would you recommend the 3.0 over the KF for a beginner?


It would do seem the 3.0 will be more robust, easier to setup and drive?

I go through tyres and parts on the KF (carpet track)

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Has anyone had the KF before the 3.0, if so would you recommend the 3.0 over the KF for a beginner?


It would do seem the 3.0 will be more robust, easier to setup and drive?

I go through tyres and parts on the KF (carpet track)

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A main has the 22 2.0 for $199. On carpet it may be better as the mid motor config has the motor further forward than the 3.0 which is what all the carpet/astro focused cars seem to be leaning towards.
When (alas no more) we had a carpet off road track the 22 2.0 mm buggies were up there with the KFs and more durable. Worth a thought given the big savings to be had.
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For those of you running a slipper eliminator, how does that affect the set up of the ball diff? I'm fairly new at this and of the mindset that the slipper should let go at some point before the diff begins to bark. With no forgiveness at the spur, how do you keep the diff from barking?

Also, for a very high traction scenario (i.e. soft pins on carpet), is it more worthwhile to switch to gear diff?
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Here is the spur gear setup i made for my kid! its only 4g and very little rotating mass! made some for a few locals and no failures. we have a very hard set of doubles and so far his car is the only stock that can make them without raliling the berm in front of it, we are geared at 29/72 with a Fantom D4

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