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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-12-2016, 03:44 PM   #1546
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Measure it i did several times its right on the line. Measure a b5m and compare it you will see what im talking about.
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I drove my 3.0 for the first time on the street in front of my house just to set my steering trims and I noticed the phenomenon drivers were experiencing with the rear inner tire lifting in sharp turns. I suspect that if this happens on the track it may diff out a little and loop out of the turn. What setup changes from stock have drivers done to minimize this wheel lifting?
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When I tried long VLA the car became really lazy but easier to drive.
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1.6 pistons front and rear kyosho gold front springs, kit rears. 32.5 front oil 30 rear. 21mm ride height. Widened front end everything else kit settings except rear inner camber link is set to lowest setting with no shim and short ball stud.
Where did you place the ball stud on the hub? Did you leave it in the short VLA hole and move the hub out or did you move both out?
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All ballstuds are in stock location from the manual
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1.6 pistons front and rear kyosho gold front springs, kit rears. 32.5 front oil 30 rear. 21mm ride height. Widened front end everything else kit settings except rear inner camber link is set to lowest setting with no shim and short ball stud.
I wish you could have stopped on down last night. I made some progress with my car from previous weeks. Since I like my car to drive like a 1/12th scale, I am working on getting the push out of it. Maybe we will see you Friday?
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Best option: try it. It's 4x screws.

My thinking exactly!
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I wish you could have stopped on down last night. I made some progress with my car from previous weeks. Since I like my car to drive like a 1/12th scale, I am working on getting the push out of it. Maybe we will see you Friday?
Oh wow, another that wants their 2 wheel buggy to drive like a 1/12 scale, me also! Have you succeeded in obtaining this characteristic or better yet, is it even possible?
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All ballstuds are in stock location from the manual
As shown on the VLA setup page, you should have moved the ball stud on the caster block and the shock location for a good test of VLA.
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Kraig,

I will be their on Friday, I had my stuff in the car for last night but just never made it.

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Frank,

I did experiment with that also just went back as it seemed better. Kraig and I are after the same thing we are both old onroad guys and want everything to steer like a 1/12 scale.
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As shown on the VLA setup page, you should have moved the ball stud on the caster block and the shock location for a good test of VLA.
This wasn't a traditional VLA move. He tried a wider front end, so moving the ball stud out would have moved it outside of the lower pin location instead of directly over top the lower pins.
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I used the stock setup and want to work with the toe-in to adjust some of the looseness I currently have. I see that in the stock setup, (+1% toe out) the steering rod links are 81.00 mm from tip to tip. Can someone who has 0% toe and -1% toe measure the tip to tip of the steering rods give me the lengths (in millimeters). That would help. It's really hard to eye ball toe in or out unless you have a hudy board and setup jig.
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To measure toe on the front i have found it best to use a couple pieces of flat stock and mount them on the axles and just measure. Poor mans hudy. I have also seen it done with bare rims and a coat hanger. Basically straighten a coat hanger and bend the ends in a u shape even to axle height and measure difference between front and rear of the rims.
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Oh wow, another that wants their 2 wheel buggy to drive like a 1/12 scale, me also! Have you succeeded in obtaining this characteristic or better yet, is it even possible?
I have not yet obtained it but I think I am getting closer.
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