TLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
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#1381
#1382
#1383
My first little test
What a delightful build and awesome car. As all have said, it's a brilliant piece of machinery, and Frank and the rest of the team has really listened in what is going on around the world of offroad, with the switch to higher grip.
I had my second day on carpet today, my first with some confidence, since not having run since september. Sadly there was no timing on my local track, but racing with some good guys including Euro A-finalist and Reedy race boy wonder Daniel Kobbevik, I could pretty much tell where I was, and last but not least where the car was. It's really got some potential, and during the day I got it to do mostly everything I want it to. I added 3mm of limiters in the rear shocks to reduce the inner wheel lifting, and the brass pivot to make the front dig in a bit more. Lower links to roll less, and lower roll center to land a bit better, thicker oil to calm everything down, and we're getting there.
Setup here: http://teamsmallsize.files.wordpress...e_practice.pdf
Next week will be the first race with this car, the DHI cup in Denmark. 160 guys in offroad, among them Coelho, Bayer, Ronnefalk, Orlowski, and several other good guys, so anywhere above the middle of the field will do for me:-p
There's only two things I don't like about this car. One is the lack of a 2mm or 2.5mm screw in the middle of the rear toe block, which I can't really see a reason to leave out, and the other is the fact that the offset of the front wheels make the car far too wide with the mandatory preglued tires of the EOS, and now more races around the world. Not big issues at all, and way to late to rectify, but I hope TLR/Frank consider the offset issue. EOS is a great racing series that I'd like to do, but when the car is more than 5mm to wide, I'm not sure if that's ok:P
I had my second day on carpet today, my first with some confidence, since not having run since september. Sadly there was no timing on my local track, but racing with some good guys including Euro A-finalist and Reedy race boy wonder Daniel Kobbevik, I could pretty much tell where I was, and last but not least where the car was. It's really got some potential, and during the day I got it to do mostly everything I want it to. I added 3mm of limiters in the rear shocks to reduce the inner wheel lifting, and the brass pivot to make the front dig in a bit more. Lower links to roll less, and lower roll center to land a bit better, thicker oil to calm everything down, and we're getting there.
Setup here: http://teamsmallsize.files.wordpress...e_practice.pdf
Next week will be the first race with this car, the DHI cup in Denmark. 160 guys in offroad, among them Coelho, Bayer, Ronnefalk, Orlowski, and several other good guys, so anywhere above the middle of the field will do for me:-p
There's only two things I don't like about this car. One is the lack of a 2mm or 2.5mm screw in the middle of the rear toe block, which I can't really see a reason to leave out, and the other is the fact that the offset of the front wheels make the car far too wide with the mandatory preglued tires of the EOS, and now more races around the world. Not big issues at all, and way to late to rectify, but I hope TLR/Frank consider the offset issue. EOS is a great racing series that I'd like to do, but when the car is more than 5mm to wide, I'm not sure if that's ok:P
#1384
Martin, with the new VLA feature you may be do a little bit of hand-fitting (likely remove material from the arm) to use the outer hole on the caster block and inner hole on the arm to bring in the width a bit. I can't say what impact that will have on the geometry..
#1385
I have thought about it, or check if the old parts can be used. I don't have the car with me right now, but that's on the list of things to find out;-)
#1386
Tech Rookie
S2 body for the 3.0
I see guys running the s2 body for there 3.0. It isn't released yet for the 3.0 so my question is that does the one for the b5 work for the 3.0 also??
#1387
Tech Regular
iTrader: (2)
I'm just about to get started on my 3.0 build but I'm a little confused about the wheel situation.
I'm crystal-clear on the hex change for the 3.0 but not wheel diameters. The kit wheels are 56mm (2.2in) but I notice TLR has also made 61mm (2.4in) available as have a handful of third party companies. This is my very first 2WD buggy so I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all my choices.
1. What are the performance/handling differences with the larger diameter?
2. Do I still put 2.2 tires and foam on these?
EDIT: 3. Are the offsets the same between the two diameters?
Thanks
I'm crystal-clear on the hex change for the 3.0 but not wheel diameters. The kit wheels are 56mm (2.2in) but I notice TLR has also made 61mm (2.4in) available as have a handful of third party companies. This is my very first 2WD buggy so I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all my choices.
1. What are the performance/handling differences with the larger diameter?
2. Do I still put 2.2 tires and foam on these?
EDIT: 3. Are the offsets the same between the two diameters?
Thanks
Last edited by MNiceGuy; 01-03-2016 at 07:54 PM.
#1388
Tech Adept
iTrader: (7)
http://www.jconcepts.net/shop/s2-tlr-22-30-body
#1389
Tech Champion
iTrader: (32)
Car is on rails. Driver wasn't up to par this weekend so I let the local fast guy drive it a few times as we have our go to B5 suspension setup on the car. It's just as fast as his B5 that's full of hop up's. The car is so smooth to drive, jumps like a dream, and did I mention smoothness I look forward to the next time I run this car.
#1390
Tech Adept
The kit ballcups don't fit Lunsford turnbuckles and some of the ballcups are offset. What are you guys using Lunsford turnbuckles using for ballcups?
#1391
Car is on rails. Driver wasn't up to par this weekend so I let the local fast guy drive it a few times as we have our go to B5 suspension setup on the car. It's just as fast as his B5 that's full of hop up's. The car is so smooth to drive, jumps like a dream, and did I mention smoothness I look forward to the next time I run this car.
#1392
Tech Master
iTrader: (39)
http://www.lunsfordracing.com/mm5/me...ode=CARS-L2230
#1393
Tech Adept
I used the stock ball cups and Lunsford turnbuckles without any issues. Just make sure you get the turnbuckle kit for the 3.0 car with the correct thread size. I believe the 2.0 car had a smaller thread.
http://www.lunsfordracing.com/mm5/me...ode=CARS-L2230
http://www.lunsfordracing.com/mm5/me...ode=CARS-L2230
If anyone else is planning on getting these turnbuckles I recommend dealing direct with Lunsford.
#1394
Tech Master
iTrader: (14)
I'm just about to get started on my 3.0 build but I'm a little confused about the wheel situation.
I'm crystal-clear on the hex change for the 3.0 but not wheel diameters. The kit wheels are 56mm (2.2in) but I notice TLR has also made 61mm (2.4in) available as have a handful of third party companies. This is my very first 2WD buggy so I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all my choices.
1. What are the performance/handling differences with the larger diameter?
2. Do I still put 2.2 tires and foam on these?
EDIT: 3. Are the offsets the same between the two diameters?
Thanks
I'm crystal-clear on the hex change for the 3.0 but not wheel diameters. The kit wheels are 56mm (2.2in) but I notice TLR has also made 61mm (2.4in) available as have a handful of third party companies. This is my very first 2WD buggy so I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all my choices.
1. What are the performance/handling differences with the larger diameter?
2. Do I still put 2.2 tires and foam on these?
EDIT: 3. Are the offsets the same between the two diameters?
Thanks
60/61mm wheels are a taller wheel, 2.4 inches vs 2.2 inches. The 2.4(60/61mm) tires have a smaller sidewall and offer a different feel than 2.2 tires. Some people prefer them others don't. 2.2 and 2.4(60/61mm) wheels and tires are not interchangeable.
AKA does offer a conversion kit that allows you to mount 2.4 tires on 2.2 wheels.
I mention the 3 sizes because that it what you see. Jconcepts labels the wheels at 60mm, TLR and ASC label them as 61mm. Sometimes you see them labeled as 2.4. AKA calls them EVO.
It is very confusing for the new consumer, we had to separate the 2.2 and 2.4 wheels and tires from each other at our shop. People still grab the wrong wheel and tire combo.