R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric Off-Road

    Hide Wikipost
Old 08-23-2016, 10:37 AM   -   Wikipost
R/C Tech Forums Thread Wiki: Official TLR 22 3.0 Race Kit Thread!
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been a member for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: Matt Trimmings
Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

Franks response:
Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

K.King
Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea.

Print Wikipost

Like Tree12Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-22-2015, 02:10 AM   #1111
Tech Adept
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 134
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Kas10Racing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 02:26 AM   #1112
Tech Apprentice
 
PIHGUAM1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 99
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun B22 View Post
Can someone explain the wing spacer thingy that has 8 degrees on one side and 0 degrees on the other. If it is to change the angle of the wing, than should it not be on the underside of the wing and not on the top? And if it's not for wing adjustment, than what is its purpose?
I believe it is to adjust the wing angle. Placed on top of the wing with 8 showing you will have 0 degree angle. Then placed under the wing with 0 showing you will have 8 degrees of wing angle.
PIHGUAM1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 03:58 AM   #1113
Tech Master
 
slakr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 1,676
Trader Rating: 28 (100%+)
Default

Almost ready... hope to take her on the maiden voyage this weekend!
__________________
TLR 22 4.0, 22-4 2.0, 8IGHT & 8IGHT-E 4.0~XRAY XB2C~AE TC7.1
Tim aka "slakr" ROAR No. 3-119960
slakr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 07:20 AM   #1114
Tech Initiate
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 46
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kas10Racing View Post
What body is that?
MattPR8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 07:57 AM   #1115
Tech Elite
 
rob martin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Pittsburgh pa
Posts: 2,452
Trader Rating: 57 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to rob martin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPR8 View Post
What body is that?

B5M jconcepts warrior body
__________________
Rob Martin~

~Ridgeway bodies~B-Fast Performance Diffs~Flying Farmer Traction Sauce
rob martin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 08:17 AM   #1116
Super Moderator
 
Matt Trimmings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 5,693
Trader Rating: 156 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun B22 View Post
Can someone explain the wing spacer thingy that has 8 degrees on one side and 0 degrees on the other. If it is to change the angle of the wing, than should it not be on the underside of the wing and not on the top? And if it's not for wing adjustment, than what is its purpose?
Under the wing you will have either 0 or 8 depending on how its positioned. On top of the wing you will have 4 regardless of which way its put...but the car did come with wing washers that should be used if you are going the 4 route.
__________________
Thanks to: JConcepts ~ Schelle ~ Kustom RC Graphics

#MakeRCTechGreatAgain
Matt Trimmings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 10:51 AM   #1117
Tech Initiate
 
beedawgg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 20
Default

Just ordered this kit!! Will be here next week. Really excited!!! My first buggy.
__________________
Losi TEN-SCTE w/ MIP Pro4mance package and TLR Performance Package, Tekin RX8, Tekin Pro4 4600kv
TLR 22T w/ Tekin RS Gen 2 and Tekin 13.5T
beedawgg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 01:09 PM   #1118
Tech Regular
 
RedBMaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 451
Trader Rating: 6 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PIHGUAM1 View Post
Did anyone notice the manaul does not mention anything about cutting the wing to go around the shocks?
Yeah, it's kinda up to personal preference. I ream out the holes I want, mount the wing, and lightly trace out the area to cut out with an exacto or the tip of the reamer. It looks a lot like Frank's wing.

Note, I run all my wings frosted.
RedBMaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 08:40 PM   #1119
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Glen Ellyn, IL
Posts: 224
Trader Rating: 10 (100%+)
Default

Can't wait to get it on the track.

For those using square or saddle packs how is the handling compared to shorty packs?
__________________
TLR 22 3.0
TLR 22-4
TLR 8ight-E 3.0

Last edited by Matt M.; 03-11-2017 at 03:28 AM.
Screamin Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 08:59 PM   #1120
Tech Elite
 
JEFFs SC10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orlandooooo, Fl
Posts: 3,832
Trader Rating: 14 (94%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Medaglia View Post
I went from a B5M with an assortment of upgrades. MIP 3 Gear, MIP Top Shaft, Titanium Turn Buckles, and an assortment of tuning and other little upgrades. To the TLR 22 3.0 out of box parts and I find it to be a night and day difference. The TLR is so much easier to drive and jumps just perfect. Just my opinion of course
wow very intersting. I have parts from my other buggy to try on this.
__________________
XRAY 2017 T4
CRC Gen X SE- 17.5 GT
Xray X12-17' GT12
check out the new 12th scale GT class! https://www.facebook.com/groups/148391312353349/
support your local tracks- Beachline Raceway-386-Full Throttle Raceway
JEFFs SC10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2015, 10:23 PM   #1121
TLRacing
 
Frank Root's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Corona, CA, USA
Posts: 5,365
Trader Rating: 25 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun B22 View Post
calling on frank root!!

Will the aluminum front camber block from the 22 2.0 fit on the 3.0?... How accurate is the hop up section on the tlracing web site. For example a part is in the 3.0 hop up section but beside the part pic, name and description it shows " 22 2.0/ 22SCT, and/or 22T.....but not 3.0. Any help would be great....thanks
The list of option parts on the 22 3.0 page should be accurate. We can't go back to each description and update it, otherwise that would be my full time job...
__________________
Frank Root -- TLR Project Manager
Twitter - @FrankRoot FB - facebook.com/FrankRootTLR
Team Losi Racing (TLR) - Team Orion - Spektrum - JConcepts - Horizon Hobby - Stick It 1 - Sticky Kicks - Bradley's Fine Line Designs - liverc.com - OCRC Raceway - Tuning Haus - Pacific Coast Hobbies - RIP
Frank Root is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2015, 06:22 AM   #1122
Tech Champion
 
Davidka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,859
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Default

I've been running TLR 2wd buggies since the JRX-2 came out and in the past I have been vocally critical of TLR for selling packaged 2wd kits that required lots of option parts to run a base, race setup.

I'm so pleased with the 22 3.0. Out of the box, with almost the kit setup (I tweaked only oils & link positions to emulate Dustin Evans' Trackside setup since that's my track) this kit is truly ready to race. Since I only race in the winter these days I expect it'll be a couple weeks of regaining my driving skill before I can even think of an adjustment to improve.

The shock package is excellent, with seals that slide so freely you expect the oil to just run right out (mine haven't leaked a drop) and a quiet, solid transmission (thanks for making the spring stiffer..) is always nice. The fit and quality rivals anything I've ever built and my car weighs 1516g box stock (with way too much paint on the body).

Excellent job to all at TLR. This, like the 8ight platform is really something to be proud of. And congratulations to you Frank, working in product management myself, I can imagine the "cat herding" exercise of projects this complicated could take years off of your life, and TLR delivered it right on time.
Davidka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2015, 10:03 AM   #1123
Tech Adept
 
onadcr74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 192
Default

I want to apologize in advance for this long post but I am at a loss. My son got his 3.0 first and when we took it to our local track the weather and track moister must have been perfect for the stock setup and M4 Electrons all the way around because this car had more traction then a 1/12 scale! We were so pumped to finally have a 2 wheel buggy that had rear grip! Well, I got mine and, of course, the weather and track changed, as expected, and now we can not get the cars to hook up for nothing. We got MC compound Electrons (my son got several different compounds of dirt webs) also which seemed to help but the thing about it is, there were other guys there last night that said they never had so much rear grip and I didn't get a chance to ask how or why. I'm like wth? I moved the battery back and laid the tops of the shocks in on the rear, everything else is stock. We have plenty of entry grip but when you get to get on it outta the corners it just kicks out and makes the car very hard to drive. Guys, I know that this is almost impossible to determine without actually being and there are so many scenarios there, but so many people say that the box stock setup is so good (with very small changes as need be) but we are having to deviate from it so drastically that I feel that we are missing something (and it doesn't seem to help)? I asked for help at the track and a guy was very helpful but it still didn't completely solve the problem. What does it take to get a 2 wheel buggy to hook up on hard packed, almost blue groove conditions? How much rear traction can a person realistically expect a 2 wheel buggy to have under any conditions? I've been in this hobby for over 20 years and I have always had this trouble with 2 wheel buggies. Maybe it's just me but when I get ready to exit a turn or corner, I expect it to grab and go, not a drifting comp. Again, I know that this is hard to diagnose without being there but what the heck are we doing wrong? I'm afraid that my carpet background may be my Akillies Heel? Everything that we have done has helped, a little and I know that sometimes it's all the little things that add up, it's just that I'm not getting any younger and I can't get to the track as often as possible and it just seems like we are having to work way to hard to achieve what we are after. After 20 years I should be able to figure this out myself and I'd rather but I'm hoping that maybe someone can shed some light on the situation.
__________________
"Car was dialed, to bad it was the wrong number."
onadcr74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2015, 10:17 AM   #1124
Tech Adept
 
itsjusme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Chicago ,IL
Posts: 208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by onadcr74 View Post
I want to apologize in advance for this long post but I am at a loss. My son got his 3.0 first and when we took it to our local track the weather and track moister must have been perfect for the stock setup and M4 Electrons all the way around because this car had more traction then a 1/12 scale! We were so pumped to finally have a 2 wheel buggy that had rear grip! Well, I got mine and, of course, the weather and track changed, as expected, and now we can not get the cars to hook up for nothing. We got MC compound Electrons (my son got several different compounds of dirt webs) also which seemed to help but the thing about it is, there were other guys there last night that said they never had so much rear grip and I didn't get a chance to ask how or why. I'm like wth? I moved the battery back and laid the tops of the shocks in on the rear, everything else is stock. We have plenty of entry grip but when you get to get on it outta the corners it just kicks out and makes the car very hard to drive. Guys, I know that this is almost impossible to determine without actually being and there are so many scenarios there, but so many people say that the box stock setup is so good (with very small changes as need be) but we are having to deviate from it so drastically that I feel that we are missing something (and it doesn't seem to help)? I asked for help at the track and a guy was very helpful but it still didn't completely solve the problem. What does it take to get a 2 wheel buggy to hook up on hard packed, almost blue groove conditions? How much rear traction can a person realistically expect a 2 wheel buggy to have under any conditions? I've been in this hobby for over 20 years and I have always had this trouble with 2 wheel buggies. Maybe it's just me but when I get ready to exit a turn or corner, I expect it to grab and go, not a drifting comp. Again, I know that this is hard to diagnose without being there but what the heck are we doing wrong? I'm afraid that my carpet background may be my Akillies Heel? Everything that we have done has helped, a little and I know that sometimes it's all the little things that add up, it's just that I'm not getting any younger and I can't get to the track as often as possible and it just seems like we are having to work way to hard to achieve what we are after. After 20 years I should be able to figure this out myself and I'd rather but I'm hoping that maybe someone can shed some light on the situation.
Did you try sanding down the treads or try slicks. I was always having issues in buggy then i finally sanded some down and all the loose/ not steering issues went away. I was reluctant on taking tread off because i know the track will eventually return to tires with tread.
__________________
Ed Hawkins
itsjusme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2015, 10:21 AM   #1125
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Pa
Posts: 288
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to 4wd Racer
Default

As you said it's hard to look at without being there in person, if you haven't had someone to look at it yet.

One thing came to mind, perhaps if the car was feeling fine before as you guy had freshly built kits that seemed to handle reasonably well. Perhaps since then the diff has loosen up a bit more after being run in some from where it was initially tight (maybe check the setting, and see if it needs to be re-tightened and/or rebuilt if it was ran too loose for long period of time and has become gritty).

It can cause diffing out / inconsistent handling if it has become looser or gritty over time perhaps as you feed power in. Hopefully someone can chime in some other suggestions or ideas to help you guys get back on the right track.
__________________
Team Losi Racing 22 3.0, 22.4, 22T 2.0, w/ Spektrum DX4R Radio & Servos, HobbyWing ESC & Motors, Team Orion Batteries & Chargers, LRP power supply. (Mod Off-Road Nationals Finalist)

Last edited by 4wd Racer; 12-23-2015 at 10:31 AM.
4wd Racer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (1 members and 1 guests)
XXX-Chris
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 12:33 AM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net