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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 12-18-2015, 10:23 AM   #1066
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Hoping to get Frank's confirmation -- as to which direction we would need to move the ackermann ballstud in order to have less ackermann (outside wheel turns at the same radius as the inside wheel; i.e. more turn-in) vs more ackermann( outside wheel has a larger radius than inside wheel, i.e smoother).

On the B5, its suggested to move the ackermann ballstud forward to have less ackermann (more turn in/more edgy). Not sure it correlates to the 22 though.

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Hoping to get Frank's confirmation -- as to which direction we would need to move the ackermann ballstud in order to have less ackermann (outside wheel turns at the same radius as the inside wheel; i.e. more turn-in) vs more ackermann( outside wheel has a larger radius than inside wheel, i.e smoother).

On the B5, its suggested to move the ackermann ballstud forward to have less ackermann (more turn in/more edgy). Not sure it correlates to the 22 though.

thx!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure adding washers = more ackermann which means less aggressive, and makes the steering smoother and more predictable.
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Those of you who run the sensor wire under the battery. How do y'all secure it down there? Electrical tape, servo tape, nothing?
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Those of you who run the sensor wire under the battery. How do y'all secure it down there? Electrical tape, servo tape, nothing?
Nothing. I do leave some slack on either side of the battery just in case the battery shifts. I've seen shifting batteries unplug the sensor wire.
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Daddy gots a new toy.......thanks Frank and the rest of the TLR guys.....I've been waiting a while to upgrade from my 22 1.0
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Nothing. I do leave some slack on either side of the battery just in case the battery shifts. I've seen shifting batteries unplug the sensor wire.
Good enough for me.. Thanks!
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Those of you who run the sensor wire under the battery. How do y'all secure it down there? Electrical tape, servo tape, nothing?
About a 2" piece of electrical running length of chassis/sensor wire. Just to keep it down in the little groove
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Those of you who run the sensor wire under the battery. How do y'all secure it down there? Electrical tape, servo tape, nothing?
Honestly, I used nothing on mine. If you get a flatwire sensor cord it will fit snug into the slot.
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Well finally got to take my new 3.0 out for its first runs. Ran about 7 packs through it while switching between it and my 22-4 to ge seat time.

Anyhow my setup is as follows, Savox 1257 servo, toro ts120 esc, 6.5 motor (for testing) since I'm waiting on a sensor board for my 17.5 which I will run. Turn down the epa's to about 75% to sorta simulate 17.5. Lol.

Started out box stock setup, 24mm ride height front and rear. track is clay high bite track, ran gold dirt webs all around. Well this car is locked in to the dirt. I just kept trying to loosen up the rear end all day by messing with preload. But ended up switching to a pink rear spring. That seamed to help get the rear to rotate a lot better.

All in all this car is a lot more predictable and easier to drive than my 2.0 was. I don't think it will take much more to get this car to feel even more neutral than I already have it.

Definitely happy with the product, took a couple hits which is normal for any day at the track and no breakage. This car I feel will be just as durable as all the 22 vehicles. Can't wait to drive it again next week!
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What spacers are used on the spectrum servos.?what did I miss in the instructions?
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What spacers are used on the spectrum servos.?what did I miss in the instructions?
there was a post somewhere in this thread about that. Just don't remember where. Lol
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