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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-11-2017, 11:39 AM   #4141
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It's going to be a long time before TLR makes a new car. The 3.0 is only a year old, and TLR doesn't put new cars out every 2 years. They have to recoup the expenses of making a new car and then make some money. It seems they are not focusing on carpet tracks, even though there are MANY new carpet tracks opening. Example, discontinuing the carpet lay down because sales were not that high. Most of the other companies have carpet versions of their buggies, Xray and others. I've been told the shocks upfront really helps the corner speed on carpet.

The shock mount kit looks like a rig job to me. You only have one shock mount position on the arms. I would really like to see an official mount and arms from them. I guess that is just wish full thinking on my part. My friends run the conversion at my local track. Like I said I have bent the titanium shock mounts because carpet is not very forgiving. TLR is good about releasing parts that make the buggy better, I just hope they decide to release a official mount.
um, the arms are already out....look at the sr rear arms...
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um, the arms are already out....look at the sr rear arms...
um, yeah but that's only part of the conversion.
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Awesome, I will shut my mouth about it then. I'll just be waiting with my check card in hand!!
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um, yeah but that's only part of the conversion.
you are making an issue where one does not exist, i am certain that some type of rear redesign is being looked at, however, i am betting it will come on a new platform, later this year, or early next....it will take time for the project to work thru the proper channels...
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you are making an issue where one does not exist, i am certain that some type of rear redesign is being looked at, however, i am betting it will come on a new platform, later this year, or early next....it will take time for the project to work thru the proper channels...
I'm making no issue and I'm entitled to my own opinion. It's a fact that the leverage on the shock being mounted so far from the tower is high. I would rather buy a setup from TLR, I don't see a problem with that. Your making the issue with your snippy comments on my posts. Maybe you should just back off.
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Got My SR completed the other day and took it down to my LHS to give it a shakedown (We have a cool 20x20 space there we use to test and to get together late some nights to race our SST 1/18 Short course around while having a beer and BS'ing, Props to the shop owner for setting this up for us).
I was really happy with it, felt great with just the bone stock setup, and I was actually under 1499g, I actually clocked in at 1489, so added my Proline Front wing and some weight to the front...1500g on the nose.

Props to Frank and the crew at TLR, build was super smooth, and out of the box it felt AWESOME, Friday night Race night can't come soon enough.

Laydown Conversion is inbound and a gear diff as soon as it comes up available.
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I'm making no issue and I'm entitled to my own opinion. It's a fact that the leverage on the shock being mounted so far from the tower is high. I would rather buy a setup from TLR, I don't see a problem with that. Your making the issue with your snippy comments on my posts. Maybe you should just back off.
have you run the xfactory kit?? have you driven a 3.0 DLD with the kit installed?

as i said, the kit is a start to having the shocks moved forward, the TLR team will now make any needed changes.

however, i stand my my thought that there will be no TLR kit, it will be a redesigned gearbox, rear bulkhead, and shock tower. so likley a new kit.

pardon me if you find my comments to be snippy, but you seem to be being overly critical of something you seem to have little experience with, when the majority of the TLR team is using this part, and the concept came from a TLR driver.
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Does the old gear diff not fit the 3.0 then?
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Does the old gear diff not fit the 3.0 then?
If you mean the Losi gear diff (LOSA2954) it should fit in the 3.0 without any issue.
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have you run the xfactory kit?? have you driven a 3.0 DLD with the kit installed?

as i said, the kit is a start to having the shocks moved forward, the TLR team will now make any needed changes.

however, i stand my my thought that there will be no TLR kit, it will be a redesigned gearbox, rear bulkhead, and shock tower. so likley a new kit.

pardon me if you find my comments to be snippy, but you seem to be being overly critical of something you seem to have little experience with, when the majority of the TLR team is using this part, and the concept came from a TLR driver.
Yes I HAVE ran it driving my friends buggys. So I DO have experience with the kit. I'm done with this and your comments.

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If I cant modify the chassis to run a stick pack I'm ordering this car in march.
Hopefully if no dice then ill have to get special packs for this car.
If anything ill get brick or "Square packs" because I like those better than shorties.
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If I cant modify the chassis to run a stick pack I'm ordering this car in march.
Hopefully if no dice then ill have to get special packs for this car.
If anything ill get brick or "Square packs" because I like those better than shorties.
If your going to convert it to laydown, you can only run a shorty. Nobody runs anything but shorties on almost every car these days, why buck the trend.
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Don't need laydown for outdoor racing. I'm buying it for outdoors not indoor.
If it was an indoor car then yes id try the laydown transmission.
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Up now on our web site is vid of the buggy A-1 at CRCRC MidWinter. Dakotah takes the win from Tebo in a miracle finish. Paul and OldMan Billy call all the action, with lots of cool insights. A-2 coming soon.

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