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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 10-18-2016, 04:56 PM   #3646
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So I have a 22 4 2.0 and love it, I was thinking of getting a 22 3.0 however I've been looking on ebay and see quite a few used and barley used, why so many for sale? same with the B6D. I've had 2wd in the past and always had either a pushing issue into a corner or traction issues coming out of a corner,depending on track condition and the reason I really like 4wd. My last 2wd was a serpent SRX 2mm and hated that car , so would the 22 3.0 drive similar to the SRX2mm as it seems to be a similar looking car other than chassis material

I've seen several posts on this thread about traction, sidebite and pushing issue, I would be on a medium bite clay track(OCRC). I know that guys who are really good can drive this car fast, but for the average joe like me and other average joes that I see, I can see the car pushes, is this just a trait of a Mid mount car on dirt tracks? Wish there was a carpet track some where here.

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Old 10-18-2016, 05:20 PM   #3647
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The 22-3.0 responds very well to the slightest tuning changes, I recently switched from a sub shorty LiPo to a standard shorty with the pack pressed up against the waterfall... before the car was dialed perfectly, but after the battery switch it pushed like crazy. Only change I made was move the battery forward by 15mm and it handled exactly like it did with the sub shorty. I had initially moved it 20mm forward and that was a pinch too much steering. I've raced at OCRC once and that track is comparable in traction to the local track I race out at Thornhill Jr.

When I originally built the car, I did have traction roll issues but was able to tune my roll center to mitigate those risks and rarely flip my car anymore

FWIW, my 22-3.0 with a 17.5T Blinky turns laps just as fast as my CAT K2 with a 13.5T Blinky

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Old 10-18-2016, 07:09 PM   #3648
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Ok , thanks, yea I agree, I see guys turning lap times just as fast with the 2wd mid mount as 4wd, but these are the guys that can really drive well. Unfortunatley I don't get to the track that much,(once a week for a couple hours if I'm lucky), so I don't have the time to really practice with 2wd that is required.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:00 PM   #3649
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I'd say get it. It's really a great buggy with a great setup right out of the box. The kit setup probably favors pushing, but really that is going to be faster around the track for most average drivers. Get the right tires, then tune from there. There is so much you can do to make it drive like you want. Get it, run it, then come back if you need help tuning.

As to your mention of a carpet track, you don't even know what pushing really is until you try carpet! There is way too much rear sidebite with pin tires. It can be hard to get a car to rotate, although my 22 3.0 with battery fully forward was great from the start. I've since gone to the laydown conversion, but that's a different story.
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Hey guys , how does the front wing from the laydown mount on the car? Any pics? Also what is the difference in placement of front wings on the front bulkhead vs above or behind the front tower?
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:55 AM   #3651
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J Concepts sells a front wing that has a custom LCG mount which is offered through shapeways (custom 3D printed to order).

Here's how it looked on my car:


Since I run 17.5T stock, the wing didn't provide any noticeable benefit for me so I removed it because I didn't want the extra weight for stock racing, if anyone wants my used wing with hardware and 3D printed mount, shoot me a PM... I'll let it go for $15 shipped... I think I spent around $35 to order all the parts separately.
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So I have a 22 4 2.0 and love it, I was thinking of getting a 22 3.0 however I've been looking on ebay and see quite a few used and barley used, why so many for sale? same with the B6D. I've had 2wd in the past and always had either a pushing issue into a corner or traction issues coming out of a corner,depending on track condition and the reason I really like 4wd. My last 2wd was a serpent SRX 2mm and hated that car , so would the 22 3.0 drive similar to the SRX2mm as it seems to be a similar looking car other than chassis material

I've seen several posts on this thread about traction, sidebite and pushing issue, I would be on a medium bite clay track(OCRC). I know that guys who are really good can drive this car fast, but for the average joe like me and other average joes that I see, I can see the car pushes, is this just a trait of a Mid mount car on dirt tracks? Wish there was a carpet track some where here.

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22 3.0 is very goodfor OCRC (as is the b6d or even rb6.6). Frank root has a good base setup as do a few others. If you go to OCRC, they have setups printed out and taped to the wall in the hobby shop area. You can also ask around about the latest changes/spring choices, etc.

Nice thing about the 3.0 is that you need no hop ups - just some spring and maybe piston changes and you can be really hooked up. For an average joe, it's one of the better choices.
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Old 10-20-2016, 04:36 AM   #3653
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Default Stock 3.0 with laydown.

Hey frank

Quick question i have an out of the box 3.0 with the laydown conversion my ride hight set to 19 front and 19 rear on an a exteamly high bite indoor clay track. Im having issues with traction roll a bit but also the landing issues you spoke of as well. Could i get away with just raising my suspension in the front to say 21mm for the interm till i get hrc front block and +1 hubs?
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J Concepts sells a front wing that has a custom LCG mount which is offered through shapeways (custom 3D printed to order).

Here's how it looked on my car:


Since I run 17.5T stock, the wing didn't provide any noticeable benefit for me so I removed it because I didn't want the extra weight for stock racing, if anyone wants my used wing with hardware and 3D printed mount, shoot me a PM... I'll let it go for $15 shipped... I think I spent around $35 to order all the parts separately.
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Hey frank

Quick question i have an out of the box 3.0 with the laydown conversion my ride hight set to 19 front and 19 rear on an a exteamly high bite indoor clay track. Im having issues with traction roll a bit but also the landing issues you spoke of as well. Could i get away with just raising my suspension in the front to say 21mm for the interm till i get hrc front block and +1 hubs?
Try 20/20, but do the modification for the HRC pivot, video is below.

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LOL... I think I'm the only one at my track running it... so far it's doing very well and hasn't been plagued with any issues that Radiopost and KO Propo have given me
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Hey guys I am about to finish up my build of the 3.0. I installed the laydown kit but seem to be having a little problem. The ball stud that goes into the rear hubs is too long and is hitting the axel on the inside of the hub. Do any of you have this problem? And will it just take me going to a shorter ball stud to fix it? The one that the kit has is a 10MM I was thinking of just going with a 8mm or so. And yes I tried using the provided 2MM washer.
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Hey guys I am about to finish up my build of the 3.0. I installed the laydown kit but seem to be having a little problem. The ball stud that goes into the rear hubs is too long and is hitting the axel on the inside of the hub. Do any of you have this problem? And will it just take me going to a shorter ball stud to fix it? The one that the kit has is a 10MM I was thinking of just going with a 8mm or so. And yes I tried using the provided 2MM washer.
Yes go to a shorter ball stud. If you can I highly recommend using a titanium ball stud as well in the aluminum hub. Just a little stronger and less likely to shear it leaving you with a useless hub.
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Hey guys I am about to finish up my build of the 3.0. I installed the laydown kit but seem to be having a little problem. The ball stud that goes into the rear hubs is too long and is hitting the axel on the inside of the hub. Do any of you have this problem? And will it just take me going to a shorter ball stud to fix it? The one that the kit has is a 10MM I was thinking of just going with a 8mm or so. And yes I tried using the provided 2MM washer.
Use the 10 mm stud on the camber block and the 8 mm stud on the hub.
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Thank you for the response, I did end up switching them for now. The washer is still needed correct? I will order some of the Ti ball studs as well. One last thing on this, what is the preferred hole placement on the hub? Track is med/high bite clay.
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