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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 09-18-2016, 01:30 PM   #3511
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Dirt laydown uses stock hubs or aluminum equivalent not the +3
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:34 PM   #3512
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I am using Dakota's laydown set up from the nationals
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:54 PM   #3513
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Frank or anyone else. First race with the car yesterday. Local track got a complete make over. We were running slicks prior, now we're running dirt webs/ electrons. Prior on a couple of test days the car was pretty decent. I really struggled yesterday. I still made the A but it was a handful. Basically the car lacked traction and was really unpredictable. I would say traction is medium at best. Running 3 gear stand up. Basically stock setup up except I moved the rear hubs forward. Any suggestions would be great. I know the track will come around as far as traction, but it's gonna be a couple of months and I need to get my car hooked in the mean time.
Possibly give the 4 gear tranny a try. It sounds like I run on a similar surface to you. When I changed to the 4 gear I noticed a big increase in rear grip.
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Old 09-18-2016, 02:47 PM   #3514
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Possibly give the 4 gear tranny a try. It sounds like I run on a similar surface to you. When I changed to the 4 gear I noticed a big increase in rear grip.
Is this a clay indoor track, outdoor? Where is your battery? You can move your battery back and also add some weight to the back of the car as another option to permanently going with the 4 gear.
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Can anyone show me a pic of how the servo is mounted back like some of the setups say. Thanks
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when running the laydown conversion, what would the effects be if you were to put in the hrc rear pivot blocks ?
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Frank or anyone else. First race with the car yesterday. Local track got a complete make over. We were running slicks prior, now we're running dirt webs/ electrons. Prior on a couple of test days the car was pretty decent. I really struggled yesterday. I still made the A but it was a handful. Basically the car lacked traction and was really unpredictable. I would say traction is medium at best. Running 3 gear stand up. Basically stock setup up except I moved the rear hubs forward. Any suggestions would be great. I know the track will come around as far as traction, but it's gonna be a couple of months and I need to get my car hooked in the mean time.
With indoor clay tracks, tires are so much of the equation. Did you break yours in, sand them, and get enough sauce in them?

Setup wise, what are you running? Have you tried a setup with 1.6/1.7 and the white rear springs?

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when running the laydown conversion, what would the effects be if you were to put in the hrc rear pivot blocks ?
Takes out some bone plunge. Lands a little worse, but can squat more on throttle.
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I'm coming back to 1/10 scale racing in the next month from doing 1/8 nitro. What would I need to get for 22 3.0 new kit to make it race ready quickly? Ex.. lay down kit, lay down tranny, springs, pistons, etc.
The tracks around here are high bite and one is loose to medium bite

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I'm coming back to 1/10 scale racing in the next month from doing 1/8 nitro. What would I need to get for 22 3.0 new kit to make it race ready quickly? Ex.. lay down kit, lay down tranny, springs, pistons, etc.
The tracks around here are high bite and one is loose to medium bite

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Nothing! It's really good right out of the box!
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Ok, cause I see some guys talking about the lay down conversion. What's the advantages?
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Ok, cause I see some guys talking about the lay down conversion. What's the advantages?
Advantages - More corner speed, easier to drive on higher grip tracks, especially carpet and astro.
Disadvantages - cost, and harder to drive on loose to medium dirt tracks.
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Advantages - More corner speed, easier to drive on higher grip tracks, especially carpet and astro.
Disadvantages - cost, and harder to drive on loose to medium dirt tracks.
Which way should I go then. The tracks I will be running on are medium to high bite and 2 are high bite clay that use slicks sometimes.

If I buy a new 22 3.0 kit, what else should I purchase to be successful on these 3 tracks without having to buy 2 car kits?
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Would Dakota's setup work on every type of track conditions? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to get this purchase right the first time out.
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Which way should I go then. The tracks I will be running on are medium to high bite and 2 are high bite clay that use slicks sometimes.

If I buy a new 22 3.0 kit, what else should I purchase to be successful on these 3 tracks without having to buy 2 car kits?
IMO, I would just run it box stock and see what adjustments you need to make and then go from there.

I know ZERO about your skill level, however coming from 1/8th scale, you may find that the out of the box setup will work for you for the time being. Until you know for certain you can benefit from the laydown transmission. If you are JUST learning your car, you may have no need for all of that additional cost. At least upfront.
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Which way should I go then. The tracks I will be running on are medium to high bite and 2 are high bite clay that use slicks sometimes.

If I buy a new 22 3.0 kit, what else should I purchase to be successful on these 3 tracks without having to buy 2 car kits?
It REALLY depends on a lot of factors, most of which have to do with you. You can always add the laydown later if/when you feel like you need it.
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