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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 08-31-2016, 10:34 AM   #3451
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Has anyone played around with their servo mount location (like Phend's setup from Nats)? I've made the change but have yet to hit the track to see how it works out.
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Dumb question:

Is a laydown-converted 22 3.0 legal at ROAR-sanctioned events? I assumed it was but someone I was talking to was convinced a car must be able to hold a square pack to be legal.

Anyone confirm/deny that?
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Dumb question:

Is a laydown-converted 22 3.0 legal at ROAR-sanctioned events? I assumed it was but someone I was talking to was convinced a car must be able to hold a square pack to be legal.

Anyone confirm/deny that?
They ran them at the ROAR Nats, so I assume they are legal.
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Old 08-31-2016, 10:57 AM   #3454
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Is a laydown-converted 22 3.0 legal at ROAR-sanctioned events? I assumed it was but someone I was talking to was convinced a car must be able to hold a square pack to be legal.

Anyone confirm/deny that?
We ran laydown at Nationals, without issue.
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Is a laydown-converted 22 3.0 legal at ROAR-sanctioned events? I assumed it was but someone I was talking to was convinced a car must be able to hold a square pack to be legal.

Anyone confirm/deny that?
That guy is two years behind. http://www.liverc.com/news/announcements/8169-The_long_and_the_short_of_ROAR's_new_chassis_rule/
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Thanks for the info guys! Works for me.
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Sweet! Thank you Matt! I believe all the extra parts I got I have the servo mounts and camber mounts. ill have to check on the 1.7s

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nothing other than an assortment of shock springs...

edit, you will likley need 1.7 pistons for the rear...

some nice items,

aluminum front camber mount, and aluminum servo mount. the graphite battery holder is pretty cool also...but none of it is required...
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So what exactly does raising the whole link do? For example if i put a 2mm shim by the tower and 2mm on the hub.. or took 2mm shim out on hub and tower? Thanks
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I am wondering if I race mainly on dirt offroad and sometimes hit the rug which laydown setup would be the one to get? Thanks for the replies. I will admit right now I enjoy the stand up on dirt and the rug. Just wonder thoughts on the advantage of going to a laydown.
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So what exactly does raising the whole link do? For example if i put a 2mm shim by the tower and 2mm on the hub.. or took 2mm shim out on hub and tower? Thanks
Raising the link equally will give more roll. Lower equally will give less.
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Raising the link equally will give more roll. Lower equally will give less.
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I am wondering if I race mainly on dirt offroad and sometimes hit the rug which laydown setup would be the one to get? Thanks for the replies. I will admit right now I enjoy the stand up on dirt and the rug. Just wonder thoughts on the advantage of going to a laydown.
For the rug, you'd want the TLR Laydown kit for sure. You can also pick up the dirt laydown case to see how that goes for you on the dirt/clay.
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FYI--You can get a 22 3.0 from A-Main for $269.99.

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Old 09-06-2016, 08:23 AM   #3465
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So I have been searching the thread and looked at the wiki but I still cant find the answer to some questions I have. In order to run the dirt laydown you need to have the laydown kit to do so correct? Also what exactly is the HRC mod? I am sorry if this is outdated and been talked about already because I know it can be annoying to have to answer the same questions over and over again, but I just cant seem to find anything that helps. Any help you guys can give is very much appreciated.

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