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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 08-15-2016, 07:17 AM   #3331
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What are the carpet gurus running for front wheels? Stock and cut the inside?
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:00 AM   #3332
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Whoa!! You have to buy the lay down conv which is $179 and then buy a different tranny case for another $79?
It would be nice if they made both kits as options. I see more using the dirt transmission than the +3.5.
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Phend's 22 3.0 looked great. Makes me want to try the laydown, but the car, near bone stock, is already great on clay.
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It would be nice if they made both kits as options. I see more using the dirt transmission than the +3.5.
For real.. i wish they had a dirt lay down kit and a +3.5 kit.. $260.. i could buy abother 3.0 almost for the price that the lay down is gonna costs..
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For real.. i wish they had a dirt lay down kit and a +3.5 kit.. $260.. i could buy abother 3.0 almost for the price that the lay down is gonna costs..
Well to be honest, it is the best laydown car I have driven after I put the dirt transmission in.
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Does anybody have a link or details on camber link settings (length, height, etc.) for this buggy that would help educate me?
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I've been reading a lot and may have missed some things. When you run the Dirt tranny with the lay down chassis do you still use the aluminum hubs in the kit, or do you go back to your stock hubs. Also Dakotas car from yesterday was running the dirt kit and aluminum hubs. Not sure if they were the hubs from the lay down kit. I am also confused as to the camber link layout of the aluminum hub. Franks set up call for 1-A but would the be the back most inner on the aluminum hub considering the layout is different
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I've been reading a lot and may have missed some things.
When you run the Dirt tranny with the lay down chassis do you still use the aluminum hubs in the kit, or do you go back to your stock hubs. use the stock hubs
Also Dakotas car from yesterday was running the dirt kit and aluminum hubs. Not sure if they were the hubs from the lay down kit. i assume they were standard TLR334014
I am also confused as to the camber link layout of the aluminum hub. Franks set up call for 1-A but would the be the back most inner on the aluminum hub considering the layout is differentthe aluminum hubs are just the a, b, c, and d holes...the front set are removed
if i am not correct, Frank will chime in...
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My aluminum hubs that came in my lay down kit have 6 holes. Hmm
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I've been reading a lot and may have missed some things. When you run the Dirt tranny with the lay down chassis do you still use the aluminum hubs in the kit, or do you go back to your stock hubs.
You can run either hubs. I run the +3 hubs on tracks that have a lot of tight 180s. If I need more traction I go back to the standard hubs in the aluminum version.
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Anyone have the link to the video Frank made about moding the front end?
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Anyone have the link to the video Frank made about moding the front end?
https://www.facebook.com/Team-Losi-R...6594021/videos

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When running the dirt tranny case, you'll want to run the "stock height" rear hubs, either molded or aluminum. Dakotah and Ryan ran the aluminum hubs at Nationals with the stock geometry.

With the laydown hubs, I run the middle, back row hole. Technically on that hub, you'd call it B, but on the stock hubs it would be called A.
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Thanks for clearing that up
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When running the dirt tranny case, you'll want to run the "stock height" rear hubs, either molded or aluminum. Dakotah and Ryan ran the aluminum hubs at Nationals with the stock geometry.

With the laydown hubs, I run the middle, back row hole. Technically on that hub, you'd call it B, but on the stock hubs it would be called A.
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Frank I have been looking on the TLR site and i don't see the laydown dirt trans case could you give me the part number
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