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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 05-20-2016, 04:38 AM   #2881
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Prices of the laydown went up, and it's out of stock everywhere. Wonder if theres a molded version or other way to get this for cheaper.
Just saw that the price increased by $20. ��������
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I have read in here people are using a Serpent SRX2 gear diff. Is this better than the MIP Super Ball Diff Upgrade? I will be on high traction indoor carpet with jumps if it matters. Also is it a direct fit swap other than shimming?

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Gear diff vs ball diff is a personal preference so I won't comment on that. I have however purchased two of the serpent gear diffs and they are a direct swap other than shimming. Very nice pieces also. Be aware there are two gear diffs offered by serpent, one has an aluminum exterior gear and the other one is plastic. Other than that they are the same. I run the aluminum version in mod and the plastic in stock.
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Gear diff vs ball diff is a personal preference so I won't comment on that. I have however purchased two of the serpent gear diffs and they are a direct swap other than shimming. Very nice pieces also. Be aware there are two gear diffs offered by serpent, one has an aluminum exterior gear and the other one is plastic. Other than that they are the same. I run the aluminum version in mod and the plastic in stock.
I definitely recommend gear diff for carpet. Don't bother with the Losi RTR diff, just get the Serpent one. I run the SRX-4 diff, which has the aluminum outer gear. It is usually $5 cheaper than the plastic-gear SRX-2 diff, but I think that's just a supply-demand thing. They are otherwise identical, and you can interchange the plastic and aluminum outer gear on either.
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I emailed exotek this question.

The response I received said their drivers have only tested with standard hubs (+3 hubs were not available during testing.) He said they found the standard hubs are/were perfectly fine and fast, but didn't see any issues with the +3 hubs. He said they might be a good option to try if you are trying to get higher roll center to free up the buggy mid corner.
I asked about the bone plunge, but no specific answers were given.


The feedback from both seems overwhelmingly positive, so I don't think there's a wrong choice.

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I have the exotek & +3mm hubs coming in the mail, so we'll see what happens.
I have some +3mm hubs and a HRC front block on my wish list. I'm just waiting to see some feed back to see if I want to pull the trigger on them. So I will be curious to see if you can tell a difference from stock hubs to +3mm.
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Just saw that the price increased by $20. ��������
We never changed any pricing... not sure who did
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We never changed any pricing... not sure who did
Amain went from $179 to $199 since last week. They seem to price most of their TLR parts above Horizon's price, so kinda surprised it wasn't $199 all along....
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We never changed any pricing... not sure who did
Noticed the price went up (to full retail) on AMain the other day. The *retail* price has never changed...
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Amain went from $179 to $199 since last week. They seem to price most of their TLR parts above Horizon's price, so kinda surprised it wasn't $199 all along....
When they have a lot to sell, I guess they can offer to the lower price to make sure they well. Now that they are sure they'll sell out, they raised the price to get the extra $20 profit.

Can't say it's the right or wrong thing to do, but it's smart business I suppose. Don't discount something you know you can sell full pop...
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That puts my 2wd at the same price range as my 8th scale.

I'll stick with HRC blocks on the standard car and just drive my tail off.
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Will there be a laydown kit available anytime soon.
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Will there be a laydown kit available anytime soon.
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Frank, will TLR eventually release a lay down version 22 kit? Or will it remain a conversion?
No immediate plans.

As usually, even if there was, I definitely couldn't discuss them...
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I'm going to run stock boosted. What would be good starting point for gearing, esc Timing,and motor timing ?

I'm running r10.1 and motiv 17.5
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Do the holes in the laydown TLR334037 hubs go in order from A-F starting from the middle of the car? It's a bit confusing looking at the laydown setups on TLR's website when the setups sheet shows the 'normal' hub and the holes are not in order.
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Do the holes in the laydown TLR334037 hubs go in order from A-F starting from the middle of the car? It's a bit confusing looking at the laydown setups on TLR's website when the setups sheet shows the 'normal' hub and the holes are not in order.
The first inner hole in each row are extra compared to a standard hub
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That puts my 2wd at the same price range as my 8th scale.

I'll stick with HRC blocks on the standard car and just drive my tail off.
I agree with this statement

Amain should be held to map
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