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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 05-11-2016, 07:22 AM   #2806
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It's not actually Clay, most Midwest tracks are Triple sifted topsoil. It's been changing the past few years. It used to be unnecessary, then it provided a couple of 10th's.

It was super high grip when it was in the small room (you raced here back then, at the Spektrum race). Slicks, wheelies, it was like running on modeling clay.
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Default lay down body vs. stock 3.0 body

I see the lay down conversion uses a new body. Can someone clarify if a lay down body will fit a stock 3.0? Will a stock 3.0 body fit a lay down converted buggy? Comments on the details of why each body is different would be helpfull.
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Sorry if this has already been asked but it seems that the mip puck sytem has been discontinued. What do are you guys doing to lighten up that area other than cut gears.

Or what other puck system might work?
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I see the lay down conversion uses a new body. Can someone clarify if a lay down body will fit a stock 3.0? Will a stock 3.0 body fit a lay down converted buggy? Comments on the details of why each body is different would be helpfull.
The stock body is cut for the stand up trans and motor plate. The laydown body is not cut in the back and includes the hole for the slipper. The stock body would probably fit the laydown but then the spur / motor is more exposed, the laydown body won't fit the std without some cutting.
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Sorry if this has already been asked but it seems that the mip puck sytem has been discontinued. What do are you guys doing to lighten up that area other than cut gears.

Or what other puck system might work?
They are working on a 3.0 puck system.
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They are working on a 3.0 puck system.
Thanks Matt. I dropped the other brand to drive the losi got all the other stuff but couldn't get a puck system was kinda bummed
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Thanks Matt. I dropped the other brand to drive the losi got all the other stuff but couldn't get a puck system was kinda bummed
2.0 and 3.0 axles are the same, 2.0 pucks should work? Though I thought I saw MIP was working on a better system.
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2.0 and 3.0 axles are the same, 2.0 pucks should work? Though I thought I saw MIP was working on a better system.
2.0 pucks work with no problem.
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I just looked at MIP's website and the 2.0 system is still for sale. It is the shiny system. Is the shiny system the polished aluminum axles for stock racing or are the axles chromed steel for mod.?
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I just looked at MIP's website and the 2.0 system is still for sale. It is the shiny system. Is the shiny system the polished aluminum axles for stock racing or are the axles chromed steel for mod.?
The shiny system is for mod, the bi-metal is the lighter stock units.
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I'd rather run mod but no one at our local track ever wants to run mod they all want to run stock and 98% run ae cars with everything you can do to them like the one I just ditched.

All the 2.0 aluminum puck stuff has been discontinued. Guess I'll wait until late the new system is out.

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22-24mm is the range I'd try to stay in. 21-23mm with HRC front and rear
Wow really that high? I've been running mine down at 17-18 mm still with lrc blocks and been quite happy with it. Have got racing this weekend so will lift it up and see how it goes...
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Been running the 22 3.0 laydown on my local track here with some pretty good success. Our track is like OCRC, but it can get dusty and dry. I made a rear turnbuckle change tonight and really liked it for our current layout which has some step downs after a fast sweeper. Keeps the rear pretty planted. Really easy to drive and consistent.
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Been running the 22 3.0 laydown on my local track here with some pretty good success. Our track is like OCRC, but it can get dusty and dry. I made a rear turnbuckle change tonight and really liked it for our current layout which has some step downs after a fast sweeper. Keeps the rear pretty planted. Really easy to drive and consistent.
Which Yokomo green rear spring are you using? The big bore, yatabe, or yokomo "x"?
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Wow really that high? I've been running mine down at 17-18 mm still with lrc blocks and been quite happy with it. Have got racing this weekend so will lift it up and see how it goes...
Things may be different with LRC, but running the HRC front and rear with ride height that low is no good. It was very unforgiving in that I had to land with both left and right tires at exactly the same time, or I'd upset the car and possibly tumble. I found that for the stock chassis on carpet, running HRC all around and getting the ride height up around 21 mm was the best. Maybe it was having the suspension geometry closer to what it was designed to be, I don't know. I imagine slamming it down to 17 mm really changes the geometry.
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