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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 04-25-2016, 11:19 AM   #2671
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I used to have a 22 2.0 that I ran a Tekin RS with a 10.5t system in. Is that a good system to run in the 3.0? I've been out of racing for about a year now
Nothing as far as ESC and Motor choice has changed between the 2.0 and 3.0. Except that the 3.0 can handle the power better.
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I have noticed with the confidence I have with the 3.0 putting power down to the ground I have wanted more power with the 3.0. Not because it was needed but because I have confidence to use it!
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Received my Exotek 3 gear laydown setup yesterday and did a very quick, easy install. Other than drilling and countersinking 3 holes went together very easily. Case is a piece of art and is super free once installed.

Giving it a day of setup testing tomorrow. Will report back.
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Old 04-25-2016, 10:24 PM   #2674
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im really interested in giving the case a try, i may have to order one in a day or two. i wish they could make a non laydown version for us clay guys, i loved the mip box on the b5m and really wish the 3.0 had something similar, nothing beats aluminum or machined delrin for accurate and free flowing transmission cases
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i saw a fb post the lay down kits are on there way
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Old 04-26-2016, 05:36 PM   #2676
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Received my Exotek 3 gear laydown setup yesterday and did a very quick, easy install. Other than drilling and countersinking 3 holes went together very easily. Case is a piece of art and is super free once installed.

Giving it a day of setup testing tomorrow. Will report back.
hey, just curious on how your testing was today. I installed mine yesterday and haven't had the chance to run laps
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I am very curious as well. Also will you be running it in 17.5 or mod?
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Are you guys getting the laydown for carpet or are some of you running it on high-grip clay?
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Hi, I have a question for Frank about his Reedy race setup. Is the sheet correct in regards to the oils used in front and rear shocks?

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So I was pretty happy where this ended up and I'm going to leave it in. Changes from my stock setup were lowering the car 1mm all the way around, went up 1 spring in the front, and removed the outside stud spacers on the Hubs in the rear. Also slowed down steering speed a bit to even out the response.

Running this with 17.5 on ocrc clay - medium high bite.

As expected it had a ton of steering and rear became a bit loose due to the weight transfer to the front. Changes above got it back to where I like it. Was able to match my fast lap time from a race night in practice so should be dialed under normal race conditions. Track was a bit loose and dusty (lots of 8th scales running yesterday).

As stated earlier build was great and case quality was amazing.
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Hi, I have a question for Frank about his Reedy race setup. Is the sheet correct in regards to the oils used in front and rear shocks?

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Don't forget that he's using 1.7 Pistons in the rear and 1.6 up front. It may look odd to have heavier oil in the rear but you need to look at the whole setup.
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Yes, it is correct.
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i have my exotek transmission on the way, i emailed them about he possibility of an aluminum one for the dirt guys and he said if people showed enough interest they would do it.



so if you guys like the idea feel free to email exotek about it.

i used the mip box on a b5m and was very impressed by how freely the transmission rolled. for stock class making your car light really isn't the big deal, its all about reducing rolling resistance and rotating mass as much as possible as well as cooling your motor so you can throw some crazy gearing on it.

i also finally got the time to go racing, its been over a month since i last raced and i was a little rusty. but i ran my 3.0 in stock for the first time and i am very impressed with the car so far. i am running the dakotah pend reedy race setup with some spring and oil changes and so far i am really enjoying the way the car feels currently.



the yz2 body fits pretty good on there, im liking how it feels on the track as well
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i have my exotek transmission on the way, i emailed them about he possibility of an aluminum one for the dirt guys and he said if people showed enough interest they would do it.



so if you guys like the idea feel free to email exotek about it.

i used the mip box on a b5m and was very impressed by how freely the transmission rolled. for stock class making your car light really isn't the big deal, its all about reducing rolling resistance and rotating mass as much as possible as well as cooling your motor so you can throw some crazy gearing on it.

i also finally got the time to go racing, its been over a month since i last raced and i was a little rusty. but i ran my 3.0 in stock for the first time and i am very impressed with the car so far. i am running the dakotah pend reedy race setup with some spring and oil changes and so far i am really enjoying the way the car feels currently.



the yz2 body fits pretty good on there, im liking how it feels on the track as well
TLR already has "dirt" diff height gear boxes on order and in production. This will be an add-on part to the laydown conversion to have the diff as a 'standard height'. They won't be here for a while, but it is definitely in the works so don't sweat it
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My laydown conversion shipped from Horizon today, cant wait!
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