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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 04-03-2016, 04:26 AM   #2536
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Destroying front tires is probably an over statement but the wear is higher than I'd like. I feel the front end isn't quite rolling enough and is scrubbing the front along the ground

P.S. only upgrade is the TLR gear diff

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Destroying front tires is probably an over statement but the wear is higher than I'd like. I feel the front end isn't quite rolling enough and is scrubbing the front along the ground

P.S. only upgrade is the TLR gear diff
Thanks and yeah I'm going to get another 3.0 with the lay down tranny for carpet and not put so much alum on it. I like a heavier car usually but I think on carpet a lighter car is better. Only upgrades will be like reducing some unsprung weight.
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Destroying front tires is probably an over statement but the wear is higher than I'd like. I feel the front end isn't quite rolling enough and is scrubbing the front along the ground

P.S. only upgrade is the TLR gear diff
Try short VLA & front link?
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Try short VLA & front link?
I tried that in testing and although the car did feel nicer to drive, I was on average 0.5sec slower a lap
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I've been following this thread for a little while now, I've owned and raced Durango and Associated vehicles, including the B5M. I haven't built a new Losi race car since the XX-CR Kinwald Edition...lol. I sold off the Durangos a couple years ago and have recently sold off the Associated stuff.........it's time for a change......I am really impressed with the 22 3.0 so I ordered one from Amain and I am looking forward to building it and racing it. Sometimes a fresh start is just the ticket.
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I've been following this thread for a little while now, I've owned and raced Durango and Associated vehicles, including the B5M. I haven't built a new Losi race car since the XX-CR Kinwald Edition...lol. I sold off the Durangos a couple years ago and have recently sold off the Associated stuff.........it's time for a change......I am really impressed with the 22 3.0 so I ordered one from Amain and I am looking forward to building it and racing it. Sometimes a fresh start is just the ticket.
you're going to love it! its an amazing car. i literally cant find something bad about this car. now that we have the lay down trans coming, its literally incredibly versatile, durable, easy to get parts, fast, smooth, perfect!
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Is there a known release date for the the laydown conversion?
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Is there a known release date for the the laydown conversion?
04/14 is the current date.
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04/14 is the current date.
how about the alu steering rack, spindles, and servo mounts?
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Had my first official race saturday with my 3.0. Running in 17.5 blinky it was pretty easy to drive, but has a slight push. There was 28 people in the class and I positioned myself 2nd in the B Main. We are currently running a spring points series, so there were bump ups. I ended up winning the B and getting myself into the A. Went back into the pits, topped off my battery and sauced my tires. Starting 10th in the A, I got off to a great start and was able to jump into the middle of the pack. I ended up staying there the whole race and finished 6th.

I am very happy I made the switch from the 2.0. This buggy is smooth. I am going to try the long VLA next and see if I like that better.

I also qualified 5th in 17.5 blinky A main with my SCT 2.0 and finished 6th as well. Loving my TLR rides!
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how about the alu steering rack, spindles, and servo mounts?
Those are all due Mid May.
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Those are all due Mid May.
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^ Also, to the person above. try going stiffer in the rear suspension softer upfront whether with springs, oil, or both.
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Destroying front tires is probably an over statement but the wear is higher than I'd like. I feel the front end isn't quite rolling enough and is scrubbing the front along the ground

P.S. only upgrade is the TLR gear diff
why Toe in on the front? either 0 toe or 1* total .5 per side. That should also help with more steering.
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why Toe in on the front? either 0 toe or 1* total .5 per side. That should also help with more steering.
From my understanding toe out aids initial turn in and toe in aids mid corner to corner exit does it not? I use to run toe out on my 8 Buggy to help flick it in but with the 2wd I'd prefer it more to bite as it leans in through the corner
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From my understanding toe out aids initial turn in and toe in aids mid corner to corner exit does it not? I use to run toe out on my 8 Buggy to help flick it in but with the 2wd I'd prefer it more to bite as it leans in through the corner
Ive always started with zero toe initial and never really gone more than 1* total out. If your looking for more mid out; look at some adjustments like ackerman or camber gain changes. you want to keep the contact patch on the ground. these are simple, quick changes to make.and you'll notice the affect real quick.
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