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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-13-2015, 05:08 PM   #241
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No matter how I look at it the 3.0 body looks like a demented chicken. Sorry . It just does. I'm not letting that stop me from getting one.
All the cab forward bodies look really odd to me. Personal preferences I guess. They certainly seem to be in fashion at the moment.
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Old 11-13-2015, 05:35 PM   #242
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I don't like the cab forward bodies either....Some are alright but the tlr ones seem so pronounced. Anyone get a peak at that image of the 8e 4.0 body....Good lord, that was heinous.....
I do think this one does look better than the cab forward body for the 2.0....

Anyway....I got one of these on back order.....

I do hope the aftermarket comes out with something cab back.....
The 22 2.0 is my favorite rc in my collection but I didn't really get that enthusiasm towards it till I found a body I really liked....Once I did, the love just grew...,,,

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Old 11-13-2015, 06:19 PM   #243
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As Casper said, bodies aren't going to please everyone. This time that includes me LOL. One of the ugliest bodies I've seen in a while, but that's just my opinion.

Bodies seem to have changed in general from everyone being okay with them to very polarizing. Now it seems you love it or hate it, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground anymore.

This just isn't TLR but every company out there. The new warrior body from JC and that other brand car...yuck.

Still definitely looking at this kit though. Not sure if it's enough to make me part with my B5M yet or not though. We shall see!
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:56 PM   #244
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Team Azarashi might make a cab back body, I'd e-mail them about the 3.0 if there's enough interest then maybe they'll make one. That is if you like their style of bodies.
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Old 11-13-2015, 07:25 PM   #245
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I've only gotten into RC the last year and a half, so the cab-forward craze had already started. But I think they look great/normal whereas cab-back buggies look really weird to me, like something from the 90's.

3.0 body looks awesome IMO.
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Old 11-13-2015, 08:50 PM   #246
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I was able to drive one a couple nights ago, box stock setup, medium to hi bite clay.
It's that good.

I have a still fresh 2.0, full Maifield setup which for me is near perfect.

3.0 is what I'm getting.
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Old 11-13-2015, 10:05 PM   #247
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I just got back home after a club meeting and racing and I must say I am very impressed with this car.
I loved the amount of steering this car has, the way it rotates and how I could switch the direction of the car without it getting out of shape as badly as I normally would.
IMO it is a well-balanced car and jumps very well.

I was also happy with how well it drove on a lower grip surface as our track in the morning is low on grip and then comes up thru the day.
Also just a quick question are the kit springs LF springs?

Now if TLR release a 22T 3.0 that’s as good as this car I may well jump on that too.

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Not been able to get hands on with a 22 3.0 yet so with the VLA, which hole is the equivalent to the 22 2.0 wishbone? And do any of the shock locations on the wishbone match the locations of the 22 2.0 or 22 1.0 wishbone?
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Questions from across the pond!

For those who have run this car already on med-low grip surfaces are you using tyre additives at all as in the UK on wet astro obviously this is not an option for us and I'm after some idea of traction as everyone says it is good but if using additive then it skews the opinion a little for me

Also is there any major changes for higher grip astro compared to clay racing setup that I assume the kit setup is aimed at ( maybe Frank can answer this one?)

at the moment it's a toss up between this or the xray xb2 as for me a conventuals low rider car is to hard to drive on outdoor astro tracks (I don't race indoor even in winter) and I need a more conventional mid car for next season
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Not been able to get hands on with a 22 3.0 yet so with the VLA, which hole is the equivalent to the 22 2.0 wishbone? And do any of the shock locations on the wishbone match the locations of the 22 2.0 or 22 1.0 wishbone?
I would suggest watching the release video with Frank on the TLR site. He explains shock locations. Short answer is no they do not match up.
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Also just a quick question are the kit springs LF springs?
Yes, they are.

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Not been able to get hands on with a 22 3.0 yet so with the VLA, which hole is the equivalent to the 22 2.0 wishbone? And do any of the shock locations on the wishbone match the locations of the 22 2.0 or 22 1.0 wishbone?
Long VLA = 1.0/2.0 arm length. Short VLA is basically long XXX length.
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Took some time to play with the VLA setting at my local track (Thornhill Jr.) this weekend. I found that the short VLA (stock) was super smooth and easy to drive. Though I wanted to get a bit more aggressive with the car so I tried the long VLA which allowed me to get into the corner harder and be more aggressive on exit as well. Car is super easy to understand and super responsive to change. Very impressed!
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Where can you get a kit?
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electrickid is a team driver who got one of a handful of team kits, and KalEL63 is from Australia who already has their cars.
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Looking forward to getting this kit Frank! As usual you're very informative and active on these forums, it's one of the reasons I like TLR so much! The team is always here to help. I plan on racing on an outdoor track, medium bite, a little loamy, so I was wondering wondering what kind of changes I would make from the stock setup. I'll also race indoor clay once in a while too, since there's a track not far from the border in the US. Really pumped!!! Keep up the awesome work!!!
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