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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 03-08-2016, 02:58 AM   #2296
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Finally managed to debut my 3.0 yesterday. My first time running ep10 for 3 years, I had previously run my 2.0 once in 18 months prior to that. Race meeting was on a partial layout of a fresh 1/8 track with low to very low grip. I managed to qualify 6th and managed a 3rd, 8th and 2nd for 3rd overall in triple amains. Car was amazing car was capable of even better. It was a 3.0 lockout on the podium though!!
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You guys running 3 or 4 gear tranny in those conditions?
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You guys running 3 or 4 gear tranny in those conditions?
I raced on a small outdoor 8th scale track which is normally low bite, when they water the bite comes up a bit, and I ran a 3 gear with no traction issues!
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What parts do you guys recommend having on hand as replacements for racing? I guess more specifically what parts on this car are more prone to breakage? I currently have an extra set of arms, ball cups, and a couple spur gears and slipper pads but don't know what all to stock up on as I am new to the racing world and usually just shelved my cars if I broke them until parts got here.
Personally I would upgrade the rear hubs to the aluminum and carry an extra set of rear arms too. The car is pretty solid and I'm really liking the way it drives.
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Is there aluminum servo mount made be TLR for this car.
I had some 2.0 servo mount laying around so I've bent them to fit during the build. 5min mod
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I guess the team drivers have the mounts because a local guy has a pair.
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4 gear on this bad boy. Coral Springs Florida

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That place is gorgeous. Can 1/10th scale buggies triple-triple that 6-pack?

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XXXdad, how'd the 4-gear benefit you over the 3-gear on the 22 3.0? I'm thinking of trying it. Running low-medium (higher if you NAIL the break-in/saucing protocol)traction indoors.
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I didnt use any shims with my trackstar servo with my 22 2.0 with bellcrank steering which is the same as the 3.0?
Thanks for the reply. I ended up not having to use any with mine either in the 3.0. I run the Trackstar TS 915 servo.
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Double-triple-single.
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XXXdad, how'd the 4-gear benefit you over the 3-gear on the 22 3.0? I'm thinking of trying it. Running low-medium (higher if you NAIL the break-in/saucing protocol)traction indoors.
4 gear helped me put power to the ground, we run M4 holeshot rear M3 rib front. Tricky track because its green ( wet) in the morning but gets super grippy and abrasive in the groove . Out of the groove, loose. As the sun bakes the track 80* F.

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That place is gorgeous. Can 1/10th scale buggies triple-triple that 6-pack?
Double Double Double was the quick way if you could nail it clean. Word is they will change it to double triple , removing jump #3
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Thanks for sharing that pic w/ us. What a cool & awesome looking track! Looks so green at first, and I can imagine what it would be like in the morning. Just perfect like we used to run on. Holeshot & rib type tires. Wow. Love it.

What battery type (shorty or saddles), and position did you use if shorty?
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Thanks for sharing that pic w/ us. What a cool & awesome looking track! Looks so green at first, and I can imagine what it would be like in the morning. Just perfect like we used to run on. Holeshot & rib type tires. Wow. Love it.

What battery type (shorty or saddles), and position did you use if shorty?
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Hoping someone can help me wrap my head around this:

This weekend a buddy, who has a 3.0 set up basically the same as mine, and I were racing at a local carpet track. We both agreed our cars were pushing a little more than we liked so we moved the battery forward let's say 10mm. No other changes were made other than to correct the ride height for the weight movement.

When the cars hit the track again we both agreed the cars were pushing worse than before which was baffling. We thought moving more weight to the front of the car would increase steering but the opposite showed to be true. The big question: why?
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