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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Something I made, pretty basic. Just to give people an idea.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:30 PM   #2176
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Yes, it obviously works on the 3.0. The point is the Exotek rack was designed and tested with the original 2.0 spindles. When TLR released their steering rack they updated the spindles to what is on the 3.0 and as you noticed the 22 SCT 2.0 and any other TLR 22 that comes with the TLR steering rack.

I think they better question to ask is why spend $35 on an old part when proper setup will gain you more, and other racers will readily be able to replicate your setup. Nothing like someone asking you why your car is so fast and your like, well you have to spend an extra $35 on top of an already top of the line vehicle to make it fast. Its misleading and unnecessary. This isn't the 2.0!
Hi, Correction on the confusion on the steering rack- the new 1580 Steer Rack set is drop in fit for the 3.0 (and drop in for converting the TLR nylon steering rack set as well). It is the same geometry as the TLR steer rack set;

http://www.exotekracing.com/22-3-0-s...2-0-22sct-2-0/
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Sorry but where ..... ??
The neck of the ball stud. If you add a 1mm spacer then the ball cup will be at the same height as a standard. Without it the ball cup will be 1mm lower
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Its the silver-ish ball stud on the steering rack that has the tie rod that connects to the spindle.
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Ok, Thanks.......
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The drastic weight reductions help make the last 5% of improvement to maximize performance. If the first 95% is not yet covered, then no need to go after the last 5%, unless you have the money and want to .... I love titanium
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Hi, Correction on the confusion on the steering rack- the new 1580 Steer Rack set is drop in fit for the 3.0 (and drop in for converting the TLR nylon steering rack set as well). It is the same geometry as the TLR steer rack set;

http://www.exotekracing.com/22-3-0-s...2-0-22sct-2-0/
Oh nice!

The OP mentioned the v2 mount which is clearly from the 2.0, and they also mentioned "improved" ackerman. So, not what he was talking about, but good to know there is some bling out there for those who want it! Still, not a effective tuning aid.
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:43 PM   #2182
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RedBMaster - My bad, I was mistaken. I digress. Thanks for clearing all that up!

Here's my car. I will post pics of the completed build later or tomorrow. It's complete now but I'm not around to take some updated pics. Lots of upgrades. Will run mod buggy (7.5t) on med-high bite clay, carpet, and astro.






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true, that would match better, do you know if the 24k is any better of a motor?
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Really like the color there.... is it more yellow or gold? hard to tell from the picture,
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Really like the color there.... is it more yellow or gold? hard to tell from the picture,
its more yellow but it changes in different light. in daylight it looks sort of goldish but you can tell its not gold. then in a darker room with unnatural lighting it looks more like a yellow/gold anodize. its reallt a cross. but thank you man i took a lot of time to piece everything together. i took my time building this kit as i am a perfetionist. i will post final pictures when i get the chance its done now just finishing a few things after some testing.
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it looks great, mine has been my favorite build
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it looks great, mine has been my favorite build
thank you! i think the colors go well, especially with the TLR tan the yellow matches. I dont like when people put the blue nuts and what not. I don't think blue anodized fits these cars well. I like black, orange, yellow, gray ,etc. i also painted the body purple, so it matches good with the d4 motor and the yellow, since purple and yellow are complementary colors. Though I will be getting the JC Finisher body and doing a better paint job.

this build was my favorite also besides a few gripes:
- front and rear arm bind - but id rather a tad tight than loose
- alum front pivot block bind with the set screws
- front spindle/caster one side isnt recessed so is easily stripped because the king pin can not be screwed all the way in

and i think thats a bout it?

but yeah its been awesome, i cant wait to dial this thing with the mods that I have chosen.
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Damn I would love a showroom build like that but I run on an outdoor track and the cars get pretty beat up
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Damn I would love a showroom build like that but I run on an outdoor track and the cars get pretty beat up
yeah i hear you. i run on mostly indoor clay, carpet, and outdoor astro so i can build a shelf queen and race it without too much worry.
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