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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 02-22-2016, 12:47 PM   #2131
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i dont know which thread to post this in, so i am posting it here. how much better is the losi 3.0 vs the 1.0 and the 2.0?

is the 3.0 night and day better than the the 1.0? i am really interested in the 1.0 since it can be a rear motor and i think i could get it relatively inexpensively
This weekend was my first run with the 3.0. WOW!
I thought my 22T 2.0 was my favorite, not any more. I still have my 22 2.0 and my son and it took the cars out for a shake down. I drove the 2.0 first made sure it was setup and working first, then I drove my ST (absolutely love this thing). Then I drove the 3.0, OMG, what a difference! It was on rails compared to the 2.0. After driving the 3.0 the 2.0 it felt as though I was fighting to keep the car under control (even though it felt good before).

Now with the 3.0 I can concentrate on the track and not watching the car to see if its about to break loose. Jumps and landings!! The 2.0 on certain awkward jumps I had to make sure I was setup correctly, the 3.0 didn't matter a simple punch and the car just flew over and landed perfect. I thought I would keep my 2.0 for mod and just run the 3.0 in stock. I don't think I can go back to the 2.0 ever again. The 2.0 constantly needed tweaking to make it perform, not the 3.0

The ST 2.0 really made driving and racing fun, but the 3.0 just makes me giddy
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This weekend was my first run with the 3.0. WOW!
I thought my 22T 2.0 was my favorite, not any more. I still have my 22 2.0 and my son and it took the cars out for a shake down. I drove the 2.0 first made sure it was setup and working first, then I drove my ST (absolutely love this thing). Then I drove the 3.0, OMG, what a difference! It was on rails compared to the 2.0. After driving the 3.0 the 2.0 it felt as though I was fighting to keep the car under control (even though it felt good before).

Now with the 3.0 I can concentrate on the track and not watching the car to see if its about to break loose. Jumps and landings!! The 2.0 on certain awkward jumps I had to make sure I was setup correctly, the 3.0 didn't matter a simple punch and the car just flew over and landed perfect. I thought I would keep my 2.0 for mod and just run the 3.0 in stock. I don't think I can go back to the 2.0 ever again. The 2.0 constantly needed tweaking to make it perform, not the 3.0

The ST 2.0 really made driving and racing fun, but the 3.0 just makes me giddy
The 3.0 is actually first buggy but like you, I do have a 22T 2.0 that I very much enjoy driving. Like the truck, I've found that the 3.0 is very forgiving and stable even when pushed to the edge. I'm a middle-of-the-pack guy so I enlist the help of marshals more often then some. In general, those instances are the result of unpolished driving rather than a car that's difficult to drive.
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So loving my 3.0 but wish I could get some better stearing, running kit set up with 1.6 35wt red coil front, 1.7 32wt yellow rear, battery 9mil forward. Car has a ton of push and feels like it doesn't turn as sharp as my 2.0 did, almost like the travel is limited, any thoughts? Thanks
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Hey Frank, anyway u can get Dustin Evan's setup from Motorama? Thanks
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Looking forward to running the 3.0 in stock class. Thanks for all info.
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I would check the position and orientation of both your anti-squat inserts to be on safe side so it isn't having the front of a-arm going other way closer to the chassis, creating a bind, or something. Not sure.

Check the rear toe inserts orientation also, so all of these inserts properly match up with what is in the manual maybe?
I did check this but I will check again and make sure the arrows are def facing the correct way. I did check this once though. I have also heard of other people having this issue earlier in the thread but it doesn't really specify what he did.

Thank you for the help. I will post back.

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Also check the nuts on your rear hubs, if you crank them down it will cause the whole arm to bind up. They just need to be snug, I tighten them all the way down then back them off a 1/4 turn. Same with the front, if you crank down the king pin screws on the caster blocks it will bind up the whole arm.
Yeah I'm familiar with this from my 22SCT 2.0. But in this case the hubs weren't even attached.

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If anyone else has experienced this and has found a good method for maybe shaving a spot on the arm without taking too much off, please let me know. Thanks.
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Hey Frank, anyway u can get Dustin Evan's setup from Motorama? Thanks
I have it Chris. Every year when I see him, I get his most recent setup sheets. This time I got one for the 22 3.0 and one for the 22-4. He said his setup was about the same as his Reedy race setup which is already posted. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll try to email you my copy. Dustin's a great driver and I'm so happy that he remembers me every year when I see him.
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So loving my 3.0 but wish I could get some better stearing, running kit set up with 1.6 35wt red coil front, 1.7 32wt yellow rear, battery 9mil forward. Car has a ton of push and feels like it doesn't turn as sharp as my 2.0 did, almost like the travel is limited, any thoughts? Thanks
I'm running Frank Root's Reedy race setup. Shocks are setup with front, 1.6 pistons 32.5wt oil w/ white AE springs, rear, 1.7 pistons, 35wt oil w/ AE green springs and running the long VLA option on the front arms. You can try this shock setup with either the short arm or long arm to see which one works best for you. Look on TLR's website to get the complete setup, Frank Root Reedy race.
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little video about tlr 22 3.0 assembly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbMbwotoS1k
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Having issues installing Losi gear diff can't close tranny case completely without it rubbing tranny case. I've shimmed in with kyosho shims. Still having issues. Someone please help. Thank you in adavnce.
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So loving my 3.0 but wish I could get some better stearing, running kit set up with 1.6 35wt red coil front, 1.7 32wt yellow rear, battery 9mil forward. Car has a ton of push and feels like it doesn't turn as sharp as my 2.0 did, almost like the travel is limited, any thoughts? Thanks
Tires? When a car is so far off balance, it is often the tires.

I'd try Dustin's full Reedy Race setup if you're confident the tires are correct. http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...2016-01-24.pdf

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Same as his Reedy Race setup - http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Fil...2016-01-24.pdf
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What effect on steering does going to a standard ball stud with 1 mil spacer have over kit setup , low mount ball stud with 1/2 mil spacer on Ackerman

I would imagine it's more aggressive coming into corner but does it have any effect with on power push when coming out of corner
Hey Frank could I get your input on this
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Would it be 'wrong' to use drag brake to help the car turn?
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Would it be 'wrong' to use drag brake to help the car turn?
Nope. I use it. here is a little clip on braking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Xwk7vQ9pQ
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