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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-30-2016, 05:44 PM   #1846
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Has anyone had any issues running AKA wheels? The wheel nut seems to bottom out on the axles at the end of the thread and during a run the wheel starts to come loose.

Is everyone running TLR wheels?
TLR wheels fit great. I've heard this about AKA wheels, but cannot confirm. We did not reference them when designing the car.
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I do have a few sets of Jconcepts 12mm wheels that I'll have to bore out slightly because the axles on the 22 3.0 are just a hair larger than the wheels will accept.
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:11 PM   #1848
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I guess it could be solved with the TLR +.75 clamping hex.

But you are charging the width of the car and possibly taking away a little grip in the rear.
Assuming the AKA rims are the exact same offset as the TLR's..
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Finally got it dialed in ! This is a great car once you get it setup!!!
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What kind of options do I have for gear differentials. I have been told that I can use the RTR LOSA2954 or Serpents SRX diffs (need shims though). And what is everyones experience?
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What kind of options do I have for gear differentials. I have been told that I can use the RTR LOSA2954 or Serpents SRX diffs (need shims though). And what is everyones experience?
i am using the losi one with shims and it still is not perfect. its close though, so i am hoping that some rubbing will wear down what is still touching. if not, i will just sell the truck.

i havent tried serpents srx, if you try it and have a good experience, please post up
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Got to run the car again yesterday, did mamage to qualify first in the B at our roar region indoor championships, got the win in the B and bumped to the A and ended up finishing 7th. Not a bad day, but I'm still struggling with the car. I still don't have the rear grip I'm looking for. And I'm running the same tires as the top guys. What I have changed from kit setup is 1.6 pistons all the way around, red front low frequency spring and 32.5 front oil and 30 rear. Oh and we run slicks. Now I also have a b5m lite. I threw it out in practice and it was money. I didn't have a transponder in my b5m so couldn't compare lap times but it felt like I could push the car harder and get on the throttle. As far as electronics I'm using a orion r10.1 and orion 8.5 geared with a 22 tooth pinion. Now I did have a 21 on it, so I geared it up to try to tame the bottom end a little. It helped a tad but still need more. I'm up for suggestions, I usually don't have setup issues, I can usually dial a car in
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What kind of options do I have for gear differentials. I have been told that I can use the RTR LOSA2954 or Serpents SRX diffs (need shims though). And what is everyones experience?
Im currently running the Serpent gear diff with zero shims and zero issues.
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I found the opposite to be true. The stock short VLA position felt lazy to me on corner entry and exit. Felt ok mid corner. When I switched to the long VLA position the car steered more aggressively into and out of turns. Guess this perception varies by driver and track conditions.
Exactly what we have come up with locally (about 6-7 cars), we are all running long vla, long upper link (at the hub), shock in the middle on arms and inside tower with orange springs. dirt glued clay on slicks. As a whole the car is dominating all classes

Personally all i really ever mess with now is the hub spacing, on a good warm higher grip day i use both shims at the bottom, cold day slippery i put the hubs in the middle.

Excellent car Frank, i have become almost unbeatable since the switch!
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What kind of options do I have for gear differentials. I have been told that I can use the RTR LOSA2954 or Serpents SRX diffs (need shims though). And what is everyones experience?

I have not tried the Serpent gear dif yet but i will say that removing two spider gears and crosspin along with 3-4k oils (PTracing actually has 3.5k) is money but it does leak no matter what i do out of the outdrives.
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Are there any after market thrust bearings that will fit the ball diff? I really dislike these seperate bearings, and was wondering if something like a premade bearing would fit? My guess is something like http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ent_2pcs_.html
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Are there any after market thrust bearings that will fit the ball diff? I really dislike these seperate bearings, and was wondering if something like a premade bearing would fit? My guess is something like http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ent_2pcs_.html
I run the Schelle ones in mine.
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I run the Schelle ones in mine.
Are they preassembled?
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I run the Schelle ones in mine.
You beat me to it! The Schelle one's work great!
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They are the same configuration as the link you posted
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