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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-10-2015, 12:27 PM   #166
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I checked and it came out to about $375 shipped, but I couldn't figure out how long it would actually take to reach the states...that and I'm not able to race anytime soon so....I can wait.

Still not bad.

Ship time is all over the place. Could be like that D812 from canada that never showed up...or the motor a buddy ordered from Japan that took two days.
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Damn, talk about a punt to the USA.

How's that aussie $$ conversion to USD?

Edit: Not bad, $350 shipped from down under.
Is absolutely horrible. If you get paid in AUD, that is.

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Damn, talk about a punt to the USA.

How's that aussie $$ conversion to USD?

Edit: Not bad, $350 shipped from down under.
Keep in mind that 95% of the time, EU and Australia get their product after the US....
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With TLR, yeah parts will be MORE than readily available! ^
Unfortunately that's far from the truth here in Florida. While most of the tracks stock "some" TLR stuff, its far from a comfortable amount where you know they have your part on the wall when it breaks.

I had to borrow parts from JR Mitch two of the last three state races I went to. A differential gear and a rear camber block. Pretty standard stuff that you would think hobby shops (especially ones with race tracks) would stock.

This may sound "boastful" but I rarely break parts (and I field a mod and stock 22 at almost every event). That being said, its very aggravating when you finally do break something and can't find a replacement on the LHS wall...
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Here's a dumb question (that may have already been addressed). What kind of wheels are included in the kit? Yellow? White? A combination? 2.4-inch? 2.2-inch? A combination?
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Unfortunately that's far from the truth here in Florida. While most of the tracks stock "some" TLR stuff, its far from a comfortable amount where you know they have your part on the wall when it breaks.

I had to borrow parts from JR Mitch two of the last three state races I went to. A differential gear and a rear camber block. Pretty standard stuff that you would think hobby shops (especially ones with race tracks) would stock.

This may sound "boastful" but I rarely break parts (and I field a mod and stock 22 at almost every event). That being said, its very aggravating when you finally do break something and can't find a replacement on the LHS wall...
Unfortunately, that is up to your local hobby shop...
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How much of the front end (servo mounts forward) is the same?

Servo mount is different, arms and out are different (steering blocks, camber blocks, axles, wheels), but what about hinge pin holder, bulkhead, shock tower?

The whole rear end is different, anything useful from the 2.0 front worth moving over? I have a whole bag of aluminum and brass front end weights and camber mounts.
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Damn, talk about a punt to the USA.

How's that aussie $$ conversion to USD?

Edit: Not bad, $350 shipped from down under.
Usually, us Aussies get shafted, so this is a nice change

The exchange rate is really good for you at the moment if you're in the USA. About 70c. Shipping is usually not that much.
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Unfortunately that's far from the truth here in Florida. While most of the tracks stock "some" TLR stuff, its far from a comfortable amount where you know they have your part on the wall when it breaks.

I had to borrow parts from JR Mitch two of the last three state races I went to. A differential gear and a rear camber block. Pretty standard stuff that you would think hobby shops (especially ones with race tracks) would stock.

This may sound "boastful" but I rarely break parts (and I field a mod and stock 22 at almost every event). That being said, its very aggravating when you finally do break something and can't find a replacement on the LHS wall...
It's good to have JR Mitch around then!
For many reasons!
He is an excellent representative of the company!
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Here's a dumb question (that may have already been addressed). What kind of wheels are included in the kit? Yellow? White? A combination? 2.4-inch? 2.2-inch? A combination?
2.2 wheels, 1 full set of white and 1 full set of yellow.

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How much of the front end (servo mounts forward) is the same?

Servo mount is different, arms and out are different (steering blocks, camber blocks, axles, wheels), but what about hinge pin holder, bulkhead, shock tower?

The whole rear end is different, anything useful from the 2.0 front worth moving over? I have a whole bag of aluminum and brass front end weights and camber mounts.
Bulkhead, shock tower, bell cranks, servo horn, front camber block, bell crank spindles, pivot, inner hinge pins, steering link - all the same.

Technically, the 2.0 included the slider rack, but most have gone to bell cranks, same with the spindle.

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2.2 wheels, 1 full set of white and 1 full set of yellow.
I've heard the offset of the wheels have changed slightly? True?
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I just purchased a set of MIP Aluminum Drive Shafts for my 1.0, I race this on carpet and wanted to lighten the drive train up. Two days after I received them, they released the 3.0, which I have ordered. My question, can I use the MIP Aluminum Drive Shafts for the 1.0 on the 3.o?
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Unfortunately that's far from the truth here in Florida. While most of the tracks stock "some" TLR stuff, its far from a comfortable amount where you know they have your part on the wall when it breaks.

I had to borrow parts from JR Mitch two of the last three state races I went to. A differential gear and a rear camber block. Pretty standard stuff that you would think hobby shops (especially ones with race tracks) would stock.

This may sound "boastful" but I rarely break parts (and I field a mod and stock 22 at almost every event). That being said, its very aggravating when you finally do break something and can't find a replacement on the LHS wall...
I recently learned a valuable lesson. I no longer buy a single kit. I now always buy two. This promises me a single backup of every part. Because of the 80 plus percent mark up on replacement parts, this is a much better deal financially also.
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Not true, off set is the same. The front hex size has changed from 10mm to 12mm

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I just purchased a set of MIP Aluminum Drive Shafts for my 1.0, I race this on carpet and wanted to lighten the drive train up. Two days after I received them, they released the 3.0, which I have ordered. My question, can I use the MIP Aluminum Drive Shafts for the 1.0 on the 3.o?
They will fit the 3.0, don't worry
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Not true, off set is the same. The front hex size has changed from 10mm to 12mm



They will fit the 3.0, don't worry
Thanks Frank, just what I wanted to hear.
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