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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-25-2016, 05:25 AM   #1741
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I have owned both and and my personal feeling is the total opposite of the earlier posting about the performance characteristics of the car. But at the end of the say they are both great cars. I am going to go with the Losi is easier to drive with more traction and less steering out of the box. With some tuning mr 3.0 feels close to my B5 with a little more rear end stability. Just trying to get my lap times down with the losi but the car is consistent. It does not do weird stuff that the AE would sometimes do.
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Thanks for all the great feed back guys on the TLR v AE debate. Its interesting to see the different opinions on both cars! I guess its a decision most of us here reading this thread has or is going to make at some stage. I've been racing at all levels on and off since 1983, and owned both AE and Losi cars over that time, (a matter a fact I still have most and also race them in vintage meets!) so I dont really have an allegiance to one particular brand, so it makes the decision a little harder!
I've been around long enough to know it's really a question of track/conditions /diving style...... driver ability, and the list goes on!!
I was really interested to know if there was a stand out between them both, from what I've read so far it's looking pretty even!! This tells me one thing........... Looks like I'm buying both!! 😃
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:38 AM   #1743
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Quick question - for the rear aluminum hubs does the TLR logo face forward or back? Also, has anybody done the work to determine how the holes match up to the stock plastic hubs that came with the kit?

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Old 01-25-2016, 09:50 AM   #1744
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Hey Frank will TLR be posting setups from the Reedy Race ?
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Why were some running turnbuckles from the rear of the servo mount to the chassis--
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Old 01-25-2016, 11:14 AM   #1746
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Hey Frank, Great showing today at the Reedy race!

15th seed in 2wd and top ten in 4wd. WTFG!

Best of luck to you and Ryan this weekend.
Thanks! It was a great weekend for me and the team. I haven't run much this year, and was VERY happy to be in the main!

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Aluminum hexes cost a lot more than a few pennies over plastic hexes. Sure, we could have put them in the box, but then the kit price would have been $15 higher... and since these is ZERO performance advantage to aluminum hexes, we think that most will enjoy the lower price compared to the hexes being included within the kit.

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Quick question - for the rear aluminum hubs does the TLR logo face forward or back? Also, has anybody done the work to determine how the holes match up to the stock plastic hubs that came with the kit?

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Back for MM. Holes are the same, just not the "front row" since those aren't used anyway.

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Thanks! It was a great weekend for me and the team. I haven't run much this year, and was VERY happy to be in the main!
Great show Frank, I swear you were targeted on each and every start. You got slammed in the first turn a lot. The 4WD A2 was the only good clean start you had.

It was a good day for TLR, Dakota and even Ryan (minus the Spencer thing).
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Great show Frank, I swear you were targeted on each and every start. You got slammed in the first turn a lot. The 4WD A2 was the only good clean start you had.

It was a good day for TLR, Dakota and even Ryan (minus the Spencer thing).
Thanks! It was a great fun race
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Thanks! It was a great weekend for me and the team. I haven't run much this year, and was VERY happy to be in the main!



Aluminum hexes cost a lot more than a few pennies over plastic hexes. Sure, we could have put them in the box, but then the kit price would have been $15 higher... and since these is ZERO performance advantage to aluminum hexes, we think that most will enjoy the lower price compared to the hexes being included within the kit.



Back for MM. Holes are the same, just not the "front row" since those aren't used anyway.



Yes, sometime later this week in all likelihood.
good work frank...
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I've set back and read comments comparing the 3.0 to the B5 and my take is that the Losi in kit form will push and isn't a fair comparison the the B5 thatO ONE who answered can honestly say they are running the kit setup on the B5. We are all running a dialed setup that we were comfortable running and probably have been for quite some time.

After running the kit 3.0 setup I then put my B5 setup on the car and it came alive. The Losi was much easier to drive hard or laid back. It didn't become unsettled....very predictable buggy. IMO the 3.0 has more steering than the B5 (possible due to the gullwing front arms) Even with the steering the rear end was planted. Anyone that has changed rear anti squat or toe on the B5 knows it can be a P.I.T.A. without the Schelle accessories. 3.0 has pills in the rear just like the B5 but 2 screws gives total access to these changes while the B5 is a little more time consuming in kit form.

The good thing about the B5 is that most basic setups we ran worked at 95% of the tracks we ran at from low to highbite clay. Again....these setups took time to develop. So far Iv'e run the Losi at 3 different tracks at a different setup at all three as I'm seeing what makes this car tick. I figure that Losi must be doing something right as one of the local AE fast guys that has driven my car and watched the mod guys drive is selling his B5 and will be running a 3.0 this Friday.

Anyone who knows me will tell you I don't hold punches and will speak my mind. The biggest class in Northern Cali has always been 17.5 buggy and since the release of the B5 no one other than the occasional factory mod driver could get the 2.0 in the A-main at a club race. Yesterday had two 3.0's in the 17.5 A-main in the hands of regular racers. The car drives itself. Don't be afraid to try a few things not listed by a team driver. This car responds well to changes and if you're headed in the wrong direction you'll feel it.

With that being said......Go out and enjoy a great buggy and have fun at the track.
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I plan on running my car in the stock 17.5 class and I have the schelle nova slipper clutch with the 72 tooth spur gear installed. My question is what pinion gear would you recommend I start with to run on an indoor hard packed dirt track?
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I plan on running my car in the stock 17.5 class and I have the schelle nova slipper clutch with the 72 tooth spur gear installed. My question is what pinion gear would you recommend I start with to run on an indoor hard packed dirt track?
Depends on motor and size of the track. On a small track I ran 72/30 and on a slightly bigger track I run a 31
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Depends on motor and size of the track. On a small track I ran 72/30 and on a slightly bigger track I run a 31
I plan to use the Reedy sonic 17.5 and hobbywings v3 esc. I'll try both those combos and see what happens. Thanks for the reply!
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The biggest class in Northern Cali has always been 17.5 buggy and since the release of the B5 no one other than the occasional factory mod driver could get the 2.0 in the A-main at a club race. Yesterday had two 3.0's in the 17.5 A-main in the hands of regular racers. The car drives itself. Don't be afraid to try a few things not listed by a team driver. This car responds well to changes and if you're headed in the wrong direction you'll feel it.

With that being said......Go out and enjoy a great buggy and have fun at the track.
My 2.0 frequents the mains up here in washington, but to say that its at all resembling a 2.0 anymore would give anyone the right to laugh in my face


My 3.0 is set up for mod buggy and it is absolutely leaps and bounds ahead of my 2.0 i was thoroughly impressed by the car after my first test, and the more i messed with setups the better it has gotten. Fantastic car and a great job by tlr.
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Those are chassis braces to stiffen the chassis up a bit.
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