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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-19-2016, 10:02 PM   #1681
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What piston setup are most using? I see a lot of set ups are using 1.6 front and rear. Is that what most are using on here? Or staying with the kit setup of 1.5 in front and 1.6 rear?

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Seems like a lot have been liking 1.6 front and 1.7 rear. This is what I am running ATM, as is most of the team heading into the Reedy Race tomorrow.
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What piston setup are most using? I see a lot of set ups are using 1.6 front and rear. Is that what most are using on here? Or staying with the kit setup of 1.5 in front and 1.6 rear?

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I have really liked 1.6 in front and 1.7 in the rear as well. I have also really liked Schelle Racing's 4 hole 1.5+1.1 piston in the front and 4 hole 1.6+1.1 in the rear. The overall feeling is really close between the two combinations with the 4 hole pistons providing slightly more pack.
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I take it the 1.6 and 1.7 combo is with 30wt all the way around?
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I take it the 1.6 and 1.7 combo is with 30wt all the way around?
I've been running 32.5 front, 30 rear with good success.
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Anyone have the part# for just the aluminum bones for the 2wd buggy? I've found them for the trick but Noe the buggy.
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Seems like a lot have been liking 1.6 front and 1.7 rear. This is what I am running ATM, as is most of the team heading into the Reedy Race tomorrow.
Hey Frank. What will this change vs the stock Pistons?
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Anyone have the part# for just the aluminum bones for the 2wd buggy? I've found them for the trick but Noe the buggy.
TLR332005.

I'm not sure if they are made available separately from the whole driveshaft kit. That part number returns zero on horizon. I googled it though and Stormer has a few sets.
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TLR332005.

I'm not sure if they are made available separately from the whole driveshaft kit. That part number returns zero on horizon. I googled it though and Stormer has a few sets.
Must not be a top seller as it's discontinued from A-main as well. Thanks for the help.
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Must not be a top seller as it's discontinued from A-main as well. Thanks for the help.
Would those bones work with the titanium rear axles?
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Would those bones work with the titanium rear axles?
I'm going to assume you are referring to the Protek RC ones? If so, yes they should fit no problem.
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Ok, I have searched this entire site trying to figure out what wheels and tires go together. Grrrrrrrrrrr. 2.2, 2.4 60mm, 61mm. I like DE Racing, AKA, and Pro-Line wheels. Do they make wheels for the 3.0. I know they made them for the 2.0, but I'm having trouble finding them for the 3.0. Anyone know the part numbers for any of these? Last, what tires go with this wheels? I feel like such an idiot.
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Hey Frank. What will this change vs the stock Pistons?
It will make your buggy $14 more expensive . Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Had an extra pair from when I bought the 4 pack for my SCT, so I tried them. Went up in oil 2.5wt to make the damping ratio similar. Couldn't tell the difference. But I am far from an expert!

I guess it is a tuning option. It either feels more or less damped, at a smaller increment than just changing oil weight.

I spent a night at Holiday Inn Express...

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It will make your buggy $14 more expensive . Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Had an extra pair from when I bought the 4 pack for my SCT, so I tried them. Went up in oil 2.5wt to make the damping ratio similar. Couldn't tell the difference. But I am far from an expert!

I guess it is a tuning option. It either feels more or less damped, at a smaller increment than just changing oil weight.

I spent a night at Holiday Inn Express...
Thanks for your reply. Some comedic relief is welcome.

I expect the bigger Pistons could do a few things vs the stock setup. I'll try it out this weekend and hopefully confirm what I think it will do. I ran this setup on my 2.0RM with great success on our outdoor, dry and slippery track. In that situation it made the car so much easier to drive and soaked up bumps and had a lot more traction.
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Some folks who have tried have the Losi 22 rtr gear diff have had a little binding some have not. If yours does bind here is how i fixed mine.
Only takes a minute to accomplish.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/22em...9/?pnref=story
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Anyone have the part# for just the aluminum bones for the 2wd buggy? I've found them for the trick but Noe the buggy.
Hey Clint, I don't think they sell just the bones, but # TLR332002 is the complete aluminum driveshaft set.
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