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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 01-15-2016, 05:29 PM   #1621
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I am going to try and use the Kyosho 10mm x 12mm shim set, 96647

I haven't yet tried it but will report back after a test fit . . .
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I would make sure you have the right compound and style tire before messing with too much suspension.
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I've got a bad traction rolling problem. Med/high bite clay track, through the middle of a high speed sweeper my car just hooked and tumbles. Letting off the gas helps, but isn't an option as our racing is very competitive and I just loose too much time doing that every lap. Looking for a way to stop the traction rolling without loosing too much entry steering.
Currently running stock shock package except red front springs pink rears (LF)
And the rear camber insert +1 (but have tried that in all 3 locations)
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I would make sure you have the right compound and style tire before messing with too much suspension.
Try lengthening rear camber turnbuckles.
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Old 01-16-2016, 09:55 AM   #1625
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Here's your problem. You must have all 4 corners on the same platform to correctly corner weight a car. What you're doing right now is very far off from any sort of accuracy.


Start reading:

grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/understanding-corner-weights
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When I run the Trinity lightweight shorty and my old JConcepts finisher body I'm right on the mark. This is with everything else being kit setup.

So, I'd recommend popping in a normal shorty or putting all the stock stuff back on. Also, have you calibrated your scales? Normally those little ones can be be off several grams and need to be calibrated.
Thanks for all the feed back from everyone... I think for now I am going to go with a standard shorty, just to get the weight up closer to 1500g. And when I can get some more scales I will try corner balancing as suggested by Socket (nice article btw).
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i installed the gear diff, and it is definitely not spinning freely. i read on this thread there is a spacer i can use from the tuning bad to make it work?

what spacer is it? what does it look like? i am finished building the kit except for that
There is not a spacer for the gear diff included in the kit. You will need to use a 10x15x.5 spacer on the flat side of the gear diff "the side with the screws". I bought mine here
http://www.avidrc.com/product/5/acce...cessories.html
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There is not a spacer for the gear diff included in the kit. You will need to use a 10x15x.5 spacer on the flat side of the gear diff "the side with the screws". I bought mine here
http://www.avidrc.com/product/5/acce...cessories.html

thanks. i might have something like that from another kit. i will have to look. i really appreciate the link
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Here's mine







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Here's mine along with the 22-4 I just finished up and put on the track yesterday!

http://imgur.com/a/LnWaz for glorious high resolution pictures
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Old 01-16-2016, 04:02 PM   #1630
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This is my new rig. And one I built and painted for my friend.I run at amain.com's outback raceway in chico ca. I was the first in our club to start running it a few weeks back and it's been fantastic so far, ive also built two for friends now as well and both they and i are much faster and more consistent in the 22 3.0 compared to our previous buggies. We are all turning a lot of heads with the on track ability of the car as well as the overall quality of the vehicle itself. Build quality was great, everything went together as it should and I am already impatiently awaiting the release of the 22T 3.0 whenever that may be

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Are the aluminum, standard-width rear hexes (TLR2930) being phased out? I'm interested in picking some up but nobody actually seems to have any in-stock.
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I picked some up from my lhs. They had a few sets. Any of your guys tried the 4 gear tranny yet?
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:05 AM   #1633
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I've seen some racers running the body fin on the stock 3.0 body. Just curious to the advantages or disadvantages on running the fin?. I haven't mounted mine to the body yet. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:13 AM   #1634
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GREAT LOOKING RIDES.... THANKS FOR SHARING!


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This is my new rig. And one I built and painted for my friend.I run at amain.com's outback raceway in chico ca. I was the first in our club to start running it a few weeks back and it's been fantastic so far, ive also built two for friends now as well and both they and i are much faster and more consistent in the 22 3.0 compared to our previous buggies. We are all turning a lot of heads with the on track ability of the car as well as the overall quality of the vehicle itself. Build quality was great, everything went together as it should and I am already impatiently awaiting the release of the 22T 3.0 whenever that may be
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I ran for a few weeks without it then installed it last week, what I noticed was that it fixed my issue of getting squirly coming off the straightaway and into our full speed sweeper, seemed a lot more composed and locked in at full speed which allowed me to push harder through that section. I also noticed it in our negative camber 90 degree left hand turn where I had been prone to traction rolling and a general feeling of edginess before. The fin calmed that feeling down slightly, I would say it isnt a dramatic difference you will notice everywhere on the track but if you benefit from it even twice a lap like I am it makes it well worth the installation, I didnt notice any negatives either
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