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Cub86 posted the question: Hi. I'm struggling to understand the lay down situation. I run on high bite damp smooth clay and think the conversation would help on my surface but from what I'm reading I need to buy the lay down kit tlr338004. And the dirt gear case tlr332063. But do I really need both from what I've read the dirt case is 1-2mm higher anyway and u don't use the +3mm hubs or the front pivot hrc or Hrc mod. So is the dirt lay down kit tlr332063 is all that's needed to get me a lay down set up that's suited for clay With the components and car I already have. And if I only get the dirt case is there any problems that will need to be addressed IE.. bone plunge . I do know I'll need 1mm spacers on the waterfall to clear the battery. Thanks guys really trying to get my head around this.

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Laydown Conversion will work great by itself. You run the aluminum +3mm hubs, the diff is +3.5mm, and you run the HRC front setup. Just follow a setup sheet from tlracing.com (Frank Root).

Dirt Tranny has the diff at the same height as the standard tranny case, and works with the standard plastic hubs. Both are +/- 0mm from stock. When you run this, no need to run the HRC front mod either.

I've found the stock laydown conversion parts to work great for most tracks. The dirt tranny is a great tuning option, but definitely not 'required'.

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Old 11-08-2015, 12:03 PM   #136
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Tyler got to run his 3.0 this weekend on a high bite clay track. Kit setup was very good! And anyone who knows Tyler, he loves gobs of steering!! This car had too much even for him. Sooo much forward bite also!! Our biggest challenge was trying to keep front end down. We made 3 changes to kit setup for this track. Moved front shocks to outside hole on arms to tame steering. Put a front wing to help keep front end down more down long straightaway. Final change was we lengthened wheelbase 1mm to get car more stable through the small track imperfections. Car was money!! He qualified and finished 3rd in A main with some fast Midwest racers. Car was plenty capable of the win but Tyler made some mistakes and ran the leaders down but ran out of time.

Tyler said this car handles, accelerates, jumps, steers, and looks better than the already awesome 22 2.0!!

We both are very thankfull for the opportunity to get a car to test and let the public see before it is available.
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Tyler got to run his 3.0 this weekend on a high bite clay track. Kit setup was very good! And anyone who knows Tyler, he loves gobs of steering!! This car had too much even for him. Sooo much forward bite also!! Our biggest challenge was trying to keep front end down. We made 3 changes to kit setup for this track. Moved front shocks to outside hole on arms to tame steering. Put a front wing to help keep front end down more down long straightaway. Final change was we lengthened wheelbase 1mm to get car more stable through the small track imperfections. Car was money!! He qualified and finished 3rd in A main with some fast Midwest racers. Car was plenty capable of the win but Tyler made some mistakes and ran the leaders down but ran out of time.

Tyler said this car handles, accelerates, jumps, steers, and looks better than the already awesome 22 2.0!!

We both are very thankfull for the opportunity to get a car to test and let the public see before it is available.
Is the young man named Tyler Jones
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Yes it is Tyler Jones. We got to show it off to the track and hobby shop owners and anyone who wanted to see it.
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:22 PM   #139
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Thanks to Horizon Hobby for sponsoring the 2015 Horizon Hobby Offroad Championship at Trackside Hobbies in Milwaukee, Wi. Horizon donated two TLR 22 3.0 kits for a drivers raffle. Team Associate driver Tyler Whitt won one of the kits and gave it to one of the young sportsman drivers Larry Wright IV at the event. One lucky kid!
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:48 PM   #140
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Thanks to Horizon Hobbies for sponsoring the 2015 Horizon Hobbies Offroad Championship at Trackside Hobbies in Milwaukee, Wi. Horizon donated two TLR 22 3.0 kits for a drivers raffle. Team Associate driver Tyler Whitt won one of the kits and gave it to one of the young sportsman drivers Larry Wright IV at the event. One lucky kid!
That's an awesome story.

I remember when I was 8 or so, back in the days of the OG Tamiya Grasshoppers. There was an RC convention local to where I lived in Norway at that time and one of the prices from a fundraiser was one of those sweet buggies. My folks had no money for such things so I don't think I've ever hoped to win something as much in my entire life, and can distinctively recall how gutted* I was when an established racer who already had several cars took the win.

*(Very happy to finally get a proper kit now, with my 2.0).
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Old 11-08-2015, 06:56 PM   #141
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I just saw this car at our local tracks annual big race and it looked absolutely amazing!!!! Granted it was in Cody's skilled hands, but I just may be jumping the AE ship soon, well at least for buggy. My current stadium truck is dialed!
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:12 PM   #142
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i'll be copping one.....

I just hope tlr puts out a cab back body as an option...
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:29 PM   #143
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Neither, the new chassis is wider than the old cars
Could you build a 3.0 but use a 2.0 Chassis?

Or are the front and rear assemblies keyed to fit only the new chassis?
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Old 11-08-2015, 09:43 PM   #144
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the screw holes don't even match up in the slightest, you'd have to make your own chassis to fit it...
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:28 PM   #145
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VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO!!!!! Pleeeeeeeease!!!!!!
I posted it on my FB page, listed in the signature.

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I have a brand new shiny pucks set for my 2.0, can i still use the 2.0 diff and pucks on this car or did you guys change the dimensions in the gearbox
The diff and pucks will fit.

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To Frank: a few questions I'd appreciate answered;

-what setup changes would be needed/ suggested for a genuine off road track: often rough or loose outdoor dirt track with low grip?
You know, the ones everyone raced on before you got spoilt with perfect indoor clay tracks, (which this buggy seems to be primarily designed for)

-will the 2.0 continue to be sold as the rear motor buggy option, or will it be discontinued and replaced with the 3.0?

-is there a rear cab, or mid cab body planned? I seem to be in the minority that really dislikes the cab forward bodies.

Thanks in advance for always replying in the forums, and great work in the design and engineering of the new car- looks impressive, and will no doubt be a winner.
We've had a few drivers race on outdoor tracks this weekend, both Charles Hicks and JR Mitch. Check out their FB for videos. Charles ran close to kit setup, and killed his previous track record and lap record. JR TQ'd and won the Super Cup event which is well attended in FL. JR did prefer the 4-gear transmission, but I don't have a full update from him on every setup change yet.

No, the 2.0 will not longer be sold. A-Main Hobbies still has some in stock, as well as many other hobby shops.

No cab back bodies planned. We have a CF and standard cab body available now for the 2.0, and we'll just say the sales comparison is more of a landslide....

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- Now that TLR only sells the mid-motor 22 buggy, does that mean that you guys consider mid-motor to be equal to or better than rear motor in all conditions (or at least all the conditions that have been tested)? If not, which scenarios might rear motor still be advantageous? I'm just trying to decide if I should hold onto my 22 2.0 for certain tracks, I'll get a 3.0 regardless.

- As you mentioned in the video, the 22 2.0 mid-motor position is more forward since it was developed for carpet and astro tracks. Does this mean that the 22 3.0, with the more rearward motor position, is less suited for those tracks?

- It seems that the box setup for the 22 3.0 is aimed for medium/high grip smooth clay tracks. What setup changes would you suggest for the 22 3.0 for an ultra high grip carpet track? What about loose, rough, and loamy outdoor tracks? Something I wish TLR would include in the manual is multiple setups for common track types as it seems most people run one of these three types of surface.
I think you'd be suprised to see top pro's ever go RM again, but I'll not say never. I still have a 2.0 "just in case", although I don't have electronics in it any more.

The 3.0 is actually been better on carpet than the 2.0 because of the rest of the revised geometry.

Setups always evolve, so we store them on our website and not our printed manual which would become dated over the life of the vehicle. Check back on TLRacing.com for setups for the 22 3.0.

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Almost 100% of our mod buggy class are running RM due to very low traction and the guys who insisted on running MM constantly finished 1 to 2 laps down all season. Top three in points were RM.
With this new platform being a MM how much more traction can be had over its predecessor 2.0?
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Almost 100% of our mod buggy class are running RM due to very low traction and the guys who insisted on running MM constantly finished 1 to 2 laps down all season. Top three in points were RM.
With this new platform being a MM how much more traction can be had over its predecessor 2.0?
I ran it on a mid-high bite 8th scale track this weekend at mikes Hobby shop in porter texas (2014 8th scale nationals track). It was pretty planted, and had no issues with the 8th scale jumps. The track can get fairly dusty but the car didn't seem bothered. Really impressed and ready to run it on a dedicated 10th scale track this weekend at Thornhill Jr.
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Does the 3.0 come with a 70t spur for stock racing?
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Does the 3.0 come with a 70t spur for stock racing?
It does not.
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Does the 3.0 come with a 70t spur for stock racing?
But the 70 spur will still fit.
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