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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

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here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Nice.. any word on when they are coming? what is that 12.3 rotor they have? what would one expect power wise from that one..
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WillS and I did the write up on the B5M V2 top shaft and the schelle slipper. I really recommend this route if you'd like to stick with a slipper.
So to clarify. You both did use the 5x13x5 bearing to get the set up to work. No matter how I shimmed the 5x13x4. It didn't work well at all. Maybe a little more insight on your previous write up. And how much shimming is actually needed for the inside of the front bearing. I believe it needs about 0.50mm. Of Shimming in the inside!
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Originally Posted by jake alton
So to clarify. You both did use the 5x13x5 bearing to get the set up to work. No matter how I shimmed the 5x13x4. It didn't work well at all. Maybe a little more insight on your previous write up. And how much shimming is actually needed for the inside of the front bearing. I believe it needs about 0.50mm. Of Shimming in the inside!
Using a 5x13x5 bearing bought from Boca bearings, I used .7mm internal and .4mm external.

It goes: back cover, kit bearing, topshaft, .7mm spacers, front cover, 5x13x5 bearing, motor plate, .4mm spacers, avid/schelle assembly, spring, nut.
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anyone know if someone makes rear skid plates?

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Originally Posted by WillS
Using a 5x13x5 bearing bought from Boca bearings, I used .7mm internal and .4mm external.

It goes: back cover, kit bearing, topshaft, .7mm spacers, front cover, 5x13x5 bearing, motor plate, .4mm spacers, avid/schelle assembly, spring, nut.
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Still happy with the car after moving to modified last night. Played around with the rear roll center and didn't get far.

Going to try the narrow pivot and see what that offers.
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have you changed your shock setup much.. i am going to try your setup this weekend.. see how it does on a high bite clay track..
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Originally Posted by dgrobe2112
have you changed your shock setup much.. i am going to try your setup this weekend.. see how it does on a high bite clay track..
2x1.6's front and rear. All inner and outer limiters removed front and rear. Rear over all shock length is 94.5mm. I'll measure the fronts. Front and rear AE whites. Rear toe is 3*, rear antisquat is 1* (Going back to 2). Rear shocks inner lower hole, inner upper hole. Front camber link is moved out 1 hole on both inner and outer. Short rear wheelbase. Losi 35wt front, Losi 32.5 rear oil. No rebound.

Tight, hardpacked, rough, loose dirt.

Next to try: 2* rear anti squat. See how I like it.

Then: Narrow rear pivot with 2* anti squat, gray rear spring.
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anyone know if someone makes rear skid plates?
Hey Sal, I use the same T-Bone skid plate that I've been ordering for my XB4s. The XB4 skid fits fine.
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I ran mine on med clay last night and it was ok. I felt a little more comfortable with my B5M which seemed marginally faster. My 1.6 pistons from Schelle arrived today so I'll try those out. I'm now suffering from hinge pin pop-out-itis.
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Originally Posted by Socket
2x1.6's front and rear. All inner and outer limiters removed front and rear. Rear over all shock length is 94.5mm. I'll measure the fronts. Front and rear AE whites. Rear toe is 3*, rear antisquat is 1* (Going back to 2). Rear shocks inner lower hole, inner upper hole. Front camber link is moved out 1 hole on both inner and outer. Short rear wheelbase. Losi 35wt front, Losi 32.5 rear oil. No rebound.

Tight, hardpacked, rough, loose dirt.

Next to try: 2* rear anti squat. See how I like it.

Then: Narrow rear pivot with 2* anti squat, gray rear spring.
thanks man.. i got the medium spring kit also.. havent got to use it yet.. my car is great.. my issue is getting rotation through switchbacks.. i been working on getting the car to loosen up some. my car is velcro to the track it seems.. i gonna try 1.6 pistns.. what oils..
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Originally Posted by dgrobe2112
thanks man.. i got the medium spring kit also.. havent got to use it yet.. my car is great.. my issue is getting rotation through switchbacks.. i been working on getting the car to loosen up some. my car is velcro to the track it seems.. i gonna try 1.6 pistns.. what oils..
If you want to loosen the car up, the best method is to cut down the rear toe.
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Originally Posted by Socket
If you want to loosen the car up, the best method is to cut down the rear toe.
yea.. i been doing that little by little.. i got a good buddy of mine.. who has been giving me some changes to make.. he drove it.. and he said it was too stuck also.. lol..
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Originally Posted by QDRHRSE
Hey Sal, I use the same T-Bone skid plate that I've been ordering for my XB4s. The XB4 skid fits fine.
I'll order a pair today, thanks
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Rewired her up shaved 15g in wire haha
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