fivepointnine

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Want to know how to solve the issue? Do like we do here in Europe...2wd and 4wd classes. I was a die hard stock racer back in the PNW and ran the flavor of the month motor...I even ran a cheater Novak a couple times (and STILL got pulled down the straight !!!) I charged at max amperage, etc. I am much happier running a 8.5 in blinky mode now, and my cost expenditures are way down overall (I am able to be competitive with a buggy weighing 1625g's)

Davidka

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Doesn't work at very many tracks (there are certainly exceptions). Modified is just too fast for the majority of racers to run well. 17.5 makes closer, more fun races.

gooba

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Going to an open class never works as too many guys think you need crazy power to compete in mod and it becomes a bash fest as new guys with 3.5 motors or trinitys 2.5 drag special motors(we had not one but 2 guys strap these in to 4wd buggies) show up and cant handle the power which is a big reason most seasoned racers here have walked away from short course and 1/8 ebuggy. Tracks need to start bumping people up who are dominating novice and stock classes. Both of my local tracks have a you win 2 or 3 times in novice you bump to stock and if you don't move up you don't race

WillS

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It constantly sounds like most tracks that have issues have 1 stock class. I am sure this issue would go away if these tracks made a sportsman stock and a separate expert stock class.

Modified is a completely different driving style and setup than stock. And its definitely not smart to push away business or racers.

Socket

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So what exactly are you guys trying to do? Make the class cheaper? Only solution is a full spec class with specific rules and tech for club races. Won't happen.

Do you think you're going to all of a sudden start winning if these things change? Nope. The guy that wins will continue to be faster than you. Sure, they're a better driver.

My comment comes on the heels of watching a factory team driver run the rookie class at surf city and not even podium.

fivepointnine

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We tried doing the pro-stock and stock thing and there were still full chassis sponsored drivers running regular stock. We were good about bumping people from Novice to stock when they dominated, but did nothing when the same 3 guys would win stock by 2 laps every week.

DirkW

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The problem is IMO, that people talk about completely different ideas, when they talk about stock. Some think of stock as an intermediate class between novice and mod, while others think it's a class parallel to (and not below) mod. Both are valid points of view.

For people from the first group, it comes natural to demand that a person who is dominating stock should "go up" to mod. People in the second group however, will never understand why a dominating driver in stock should be treated any different from a dominating guy in mod. One gets cheered for his talent while the other gets thrown out of his class, thus punished for being "too good".

So each track/club has to decide on which philosophy they follow on stock - and clearly communicate that. However, even once you have settled that issue at your local track, you can (and certainly will) meet people from the other group at other tracks and at larger events. Don't expect them to follow your philosophy just cause you say so.

Oh and about the stock / pro stock idea... I don't know if more classes actually help - and you can hardly force anyone to race a class they don't want to race in.
Novice of course being the exception here, as that class' idea is based on driver skill level alone - once you're good enough, please go and enter one of the "real", official regulated racing classes.
And BTW... where's mod and pro mod then?

Hoese37

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The answer is simple. Stock is not a beginners class. It is a class where all the equipment is supposed to be on the same level, not exactly the same, that would be called SPEC. Its meant for all cars to be on an even playing field, but still have the freedom to choose what equipment to use. It still gives respect to the sponsored drivers, and their obligations.

RC*PHREAK

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had to laugh at this. where are the results posted from surf city?

HBRob

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Just pulled this down from LiveRc - rookie results, havent seen a official results posting yet. #4?

1 Danny Milton 2 25 10:01.463 22.184 0.000 2 94.22% 1.39
2 Scott Daluge 1 25 10:09.058 22.515 7.595 1 94.43% 1.36
3 Jacob Hetherly 3 25 10:23.604 22.789 14.546 3 93.14% 1.71
4 Caitlyn Gilliam 11 23 10:17.876 23.720 -5.728 11 90.69% 2.50
5 Jimmy Bartling 7 23 10:22.085 24.089 4.209 7 91.16% 2.39
6 Kortny Moore 4 22 10:11.161 24.353 -10.924 4 88.09% 3.31
7 Jerry Preston 6 21 10:06.451 23.873 -4.710 6 76.96% 5.74
8 Gary Slater 5 21 10:15.605 23.674 9.154 5 88.50% 3.37
9 Ismael Gonzales 8 18 10:19.186 23.034 3.581 8 78.18% 5.25
10 Steve Swartz 10 11 5:06.604 23.409 -5:12.58 10 85.98% 3.91
11 Cole Nachreiner 9 11 5:21.364 25.290 14.760 9 89.59% 3.04
12 Joshua Gonzalez 12 10 5:01.571 23.919 -19.793 12 84.53% 4.67

Mudcat981

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+1

If I have a good run (for me) I am happy even if I finish last. Just having fun, but I am old school and "stock" is "my" class.

wittyname

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What's the real difference between running in the c main in MOD and getting to use what ever equipment you want versus running in the c main in "stock" and being forced to use equipment you don't like ?

Run mod , run what you want .... I would venture a guess that its more difficult to win in $tock these days than to score a great finish in Mod .

RC*PHREAK

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that says it was from aug 3. are those the surf city results?

Mudcat981

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Run MOD run STOCK? Most run where the most racers are. Our track will have 3-4 2WD mods (maybe), but will have 15-20 2WD stock. The track does offer STOCK and SPORTSMAN STOCK, the heats are combined, and sometimes the mains are combined, but the results are broken down by class.

This is a nice setup because you still run against the faster guys, but get rewarded for you class results. Everyone gets to race in heats/mains with more cars to sharpen skills.

If I only ran MOD at the local tracks on a Friday night, I may or may not even have a class to race. So I would still have to drop to STOCK just to race.

I like the idea of everyone just be placed in a heat and sorted out by qualifying times. But this would only work if bump ups were not allowed.

Chris Reilly

I like the idea of 2wd open. I use to run less motor than most everyone and still do well. Run what your skill set lets you drive. You will get better and can then put more motor in it. Stock is not a beginner class. It can end up being a money game if you are not careful.

if I was choosing 2 classes. It would be 2wd stock and mod and I am not a beginner. Have had sponsors in the past.